In brief – some of you who have emailed me and yet to receive a reply may be wondering wassup… Well, I’ve still got this virus thing, which is now into its 4th week, and although just yesterday I really did feel some revitalization with regards to focus on my business, physically I’m as near a total wash-out as you can imagine. If I’m out of bed for more than 4 hours or so on the trot, its bed time all over.
The worst of the hot and cold flushes seems to have past by now. I did consult with two doctors here in Kuching, only to be told that yes – I do have a serious viral problem which is causing turbulence with my white blood cells and also inflaming my kidneys, but other than that, no one knows what’s wrong with me.
What to do other than to sit it out and “hope” for improvement?
I’m not one to complain about this sort of thing – there are oh so many folks in this world far worse off than I. Nevertheless, the real “killer blow” is when you are physically spent all the time and mentally incapable of adding 2 and 2 together to get 4. That kinda thing occasionally gets you worried because you start to think your business may be doomed due to your incapacity to even think half intelligently.
Oh, I know – time to crack open the malt whisky and open that fancy box of cigars I bought on the way home from Phuket! I’ll drink to that! 
Let’s get on with the main post…
Indeed you read the title right – the fast rankings Goog project has a second lease of life, which was of course on the cards. The previous rankings have re-materialized – all but one of them, and there’s a newbie ranking on the block also which gets 1.9k global search volume in Goog monthly and is now sitting in 6th spot in Goog US.
Otherwise, the rankings go as follows:
Hi end 450k + search volume (global) in Google per month @32 (all-time highest was @25).
The kwd that gets just less than 3k searches a month in Goog is @13 (all-time high was @12).
The 8.1k search volume per month kwd is @5 (previous high was 7th).
And as mentioned, the 18k search vol kwd has apparently been given the harshest penalty (that was the newest kid on the block) and is still not showing top 50 (previous high was @17).
So now the question begs to be asked – what to do??
Do I continue to wallop the site as a whole and hope that Goog don’t notice? Erm, no. Chances are Goog will notice this sort of behaviour very quickly indeed, and I’ll get dumped fast!
Do I simply use a couple of tools to try to “ease” the rankings upwards from where they are now? Hmmm… yes, that’s probably a wise move. But there is still a fairly high risk for being dumped, and I’m more risk averse at the moment than I tend to be normally.
Do I sit and do nothing like I’ve been doing since the dumping took place almost 3 weeks ago? Yes, that also seems a wise move. After all, I can see what comes of things – maybe Goog will see fit to push the rankings upwards off the back of the previous backlinking work, in which case I should be happy to ride the wave. I get the impression however that there’s not much of a wave left to ride…
So here is what I am going to do. Sit and wait it out and see how much further the rankings can climb without me lifting a finger. Once these ranking appear to have petered out, I’ll start to gently nudge the main kwd phrase all over, and focus entirely on that main kwd phrase (lots of variations of the main kwd phrase).
Fact is, I doubt very much indeed that this will be enough to get the thing even into the top 20, but it makes sense to go slow and sure for now and not rock the apple cart more than I have done. Or does it make sense? Perhaps its wise to start firing on all cylinders once again…
I do want to make money from this site, so I am a bit wary of setting the guns blazing. Perhaps its wise to just make it one of those “background” websites, where you simply leave it to do its own thing and in time come back to it and really focus a lot more on it.
The current rankings are pretty solid and are enough to generate a small income, even though the current kwds that are ranking top ten are not going to be life-changers in terms of making an income – unfortunately these kwds appeal to the freebie seeker brigade. I sense this site may be best served by letting it mature. Let me know what you think!
Here are the previous posts in this Fast Google Rankings series…
Post 1: http://www.josepharchibald.com/rank-new-site-google-weeks-very-competitive-niche
Post 2: http://www.josepharchibald.com/rank-website-weeks-google-competitive-niche-post-2
Post 3: http://www.josepharchibald.com/update-on-the-new-project-ranking-high-in-google-with-fast-backlinking
Post 4: http://www.josepharchibald.com/update-rank-high-and-fast-in-google-in-a-competitive-niche-post-4
Post 5: http://www.josepharchibald.com/post-5-fast-google-rankings-project
Post 6: http://www.josepharchibald.com/post-5-fast-google-rankings-project
Post 7: http://www.josepharchibald.com/post-7-fast-google-ranking-project
Oh yeah – one other thing, just in brief. Not sure about you but I get the impression that Christmas sales have been incredibly slow online this year. I can qualify that statement but I shall not as I want to keep this brief.
The site that I purchased with the consideration of making a fast sale – I’ve decided to keep it and work more on the rankings. The traffic numbers are up really nicely, which does not necessarily mean profits are wildly high, but sales are ticking over just about fine. I’m thus figuring that if I keep doing what I’m doing with this site and keep pressing the rankings to get a number of top 3 positions, I’ll be onto a GOOD thing! More on this to follow in the coming weeks…
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I hope you feel better soon, Jo!
Maybe just add more content to the site without backlinking for now? Just an idea!
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Hi Jo
This is sounding worse every time i hear from you. drop you an email.
With your site. This is exactly what i saw with the same experiment i ran earlier in the summer.
I can fairly guarantee that if you try any reasonable level of link building it will fall ou of the serp so fast its shocking.
my theory is that you can do one of two things as you suggest
Leave it alone for a long time and then start slow again or take a chance and try really slow low level links just as if it was an invalid. drip it some links slowly and see if you can build up more links over say 3 months.
What im curious about is how or what signal, cause these sites to fall do they have a “penalty” flag on them? And if they do why do they recover? its a form of google dancing i guess?
steve
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Thanks Kasi!
Hmm… that’s probably what I will do – just let it sit and mature like a good… like a good… whisky in a cask…
Hey Steve, its 3.30 am as I write this and I’ve just taken my first round of pain killers for the day. There is one good thing – I don’t have to attend all the Christmas events this year, LOL!
Yeah – either I’ll do the occasional backlink to the site, or not at all for quite some time to come – effectively shelving the project for another day if you like. I much prefer to have something on the map even though its not doing anything, than to have something wiped from the surface of the planet in entirety. Thanks for your insight!
Oh Joseph, I have been traveling the last couple of days and I didn’t know you were sick. It doesn’t sound good. Get well soon and take care of yourself.
Congrats on the Round 2. Let’s see what happens.
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Sick as a parrot, Cristina
Wonder where that saying came from…
Traveling, huh? Sounds like fun and I hope you’ve got some nice pics to share with us!
Not traveling for fun. I was coming back home after one month in Spain.
No pics either.
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I hope your feeling better soon. Would be interesting to only pursue super quality indicator links maybe PR5 and above. It would be nice and slow, high quality and maybe just what the google doctor ordered.
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Thanks MK!
Yeah, going that route may work, but I’m averse to risking more financial investment at the moment, and to get this baby top ten would take a whole lot of hi PR backlinks, and thus a whole lot more moolah. And to be honest, although December tends to be a very good month for me, after my eBay sites debacle with Google earlier this year, I changed around my business model to a good extent. So now December tends to be a very poor month in terms of cash flow so I’m now having to batton down the hatches – more than I would like to have to do I may add. Ah, the frustrations!
I have a site that got slapped and comes back, goes away, comes back goes away etc over and over. I used BB to get it up again, and I returned from vacation to find it vanished again. I do not think there is a clear answer.
Therefore, due to this, I would hit it with some decent backlinks (like BMR for example) and if it gets slapped I’d just ditch it and restart again.
I keep trying to finesse my site into decent rankings and frankly its a waste of time, money and resources I could put to better use. Eventually I will realize that but I’m a noob so I keep trying and hoping :p
Anyway, glad you had a good vacation Jo! I did as well. And I truly hope you get better soon!
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Jim regardless what you say about being a noo-b, sounds like you realize the error of your ways already, so congratulations, you can no longer be referred to as a noo-b!
In fact, I would say this is key to a successful business, or can be one of the many keys – the sooner you realize that a site that Google no longer carries any pleasure for is going to bobble up and down the rankings without any real stability, and the sooner you pick up the pieces and move on from that particular website (let’s face the facts, anyone who does a lot of Google SEO work will have had a website penalized at one time or another – show me someone who says otherwise and you’re showing me someone I wouldn’t trust), the better the chance your business will have of being profitable.
I too have made the mistake of trying to kick an old tyre of a website into shape once its been dumped in the Goog rankings and although time and time again things do look good for a bit, Goog have this real sneaky habit of playing with you no matter how hard you try to avoid it. No fun! Move along swiftly! I’m as well leaving the project site for a good while – perhaps with the occasional bunch of backlinks gently nudging it from time to time, because I really don’t believe that Goog are going to let me play my previous game of fast and furious – they’ll be very happy to spoil that party is what I’mz a thinkin!
That is very interesting to see them bounce back, the same sort of thing happened to me and my Relationship website, witch is now sitting at its best ranks yet. The funny part was I have not done a thing and they came into better spots then before it just took time. Now I build links slowly trying to hit the top 3 positions. Good luck with it and ill be watching the progress!
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Sorry Jim – in reply to having a good vacation – yes, surely did so, thanks and its good to know you enjoyed your time away also! And thanks for the get well soon wishes!
Matt, I’ve got two top 5 rankings (that I’m aware of) and one top ten ranking, with another sitting just outside top ten – INCOME = ZERO! Its gonna be all down to the main kwd phrase and that’s gonna need backlinking work or its not going to get even top 20. At the moment I’m not really “into it” cos I know Goog will be very happy to dump me all over.
Has your relationship site gained top ten rankings for your main kwds, Matt?
Thanks Cristina and Matt for the mentions on Twitter!
Yes last time i checked I had 2 of my keywords ranking 5th and one of them at 10th, one of the ones at 5th is for the main keyword phrase, but still not seeing much traffic, one day the main keyword hit 3rd and I got 17 hits that day then it dropped back to fifth and the traffic went back down to almost nothing again.
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I see Matt, so no game changer going on here then, unfortunately.
@mathew, well you could have been just looking at a Google dance there. Rather than a penalised site. The only way you’ll know the difference is if you build more links to it. It drops out of the top 1000 it’s got one of these “penalty flag things going on” if it just goes 200 and back it’s a dancer. You can straighten a dance out by just building quality links and keep building them.
@jo – you’re right we all have duds. We all have sites that drop like stones and I agree anybody that claims all there sites are perfect is not doing seo enough they are either lying or they are not testing/pushing at all.
@jim – ohh blasting or even tapping a site with BB (backlink blaster) is a very bad idea poor quality links and a lot of them at the money site can work but its way to dangerous a game. May as well xrummer it
vie tested these idea on site just to make sure and they get don’t work out well long term.
The thing about sites that just won’t make money. I know its crazy sometime all the data is there but no Adsense or amazon sales.. Clearly data can be misleading. I think some market all the traffic is in the top 2 slots. People just don’t scroll on some terms.
Have a great day.. Isn’t this game fun
@Steve ooops! Sorry! I meant Blog-Blueprint not backlink blaster. Thats a bit better quality. Obviously it is much less time consuming to use (although much less powerful) than BMR. And I’ve had some suprisingly good success using it! There are many creative ways to use it…boosting BMR posts, articles and web 2.0′s for example.
And yes! indeed the game is fun
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Steve
“isn’t this game fun…”
Yeah – mind-blowingly so!
I can think of another word that begins with “f” that describes this game more “energetically”.
I’ve got a term ranking 2nd place right now in Goog – gets over 22k global search a month apparently, its in a very desperate market, and I’ve tried various different ways to monetize the “b….” (feel free to fill in the gap there). Up till now, the site as a whole has made just shy of 5 bucks. Yeah, this game is a ton of fun… Well, it would be fun but for the fact that this is just one of so many examples of a horribly poor return on investment.
I’ve been shouting about desperate markets now for quite some time without actually truly trying them out myself. Oh yeah – getting a few top ten rankings and stuff, but this one is most definitely trialling the market. I’m now starting to question my own philosophies – are desperate markets really where the money’s at? Of course they should be – any half intelligent individual would say the same and for very good reason, but when you get hands-on like this and see it for yourself and test out a few different ways to monetize and yet you still hardly pass the dime mark, you gotta start asking questions.
I’m having lots of fun – or so I keep telling myself.
Have fun Steve
Hi Jo
I know youve tried a few things on this niche so just one more thought.
I have a niche site thats on a species of tropical fish a super micro niche.
People search high and low for informtion n them. the top three keywords are all over 3K each exact USA and for the wolrd over 7K each.
Guess what…. the clicks are about 0,4% of visitors to any offer (ncluding adsense) so even sitting at number one you get 1 “sales” a day max.
the reson is that ecuase its a pure information based requirement people are savy to looking for free info now in this type of market. SO they read a bt then go to another site i believe.
the site makes probably $10 a month on autopilot so it can sit there but it aint going to do better and that with those fairly decent search volumes.
Always having fun even when its poundig the keyword for 15 hours straight. “I will win, I will win, I will win ”
not going crazy or any thing 
Hey Jim – you mention Blog Blueprint (and not backlink blaster
). I too like that tool – its worked well for me in the past and no doubt will continue to do so. Here’s a word of caution however.
I’ve been using a similar system just recently – over the past 3 weeks only. Fortunately I do get some “insider dealing” info on this particular tool from time to time so let me tell you what I heard.
The tool uses a somewhat similar system to BB (not to BMR) in that you can add spun content to get your backlinks. Now I’m not at all saying this is bad. However, I get the impression that a lot of BB users probably add half-assed spun content to the network – probably its poorly written and probably its not overly unique (I don’t believe BB have much of a quality control network in place – it is there, but its not at all strict – do correct me if I’m wrong, but its not a patch on the BMR quality control).
Well recently I found out that fairly regularly this other network receives a going-over from Google. What tends to happen (as far as I can make out) is that when they get one of their sites in the top ranks (meaning – someone who is using this service manages to get top flight Goog rankings for their targeted kwd phrases), a Goog employee will come along, assess the top ranking site in that particular niche, check the backlinks for quality etc and blah blah blah. Well, because the quality of the backlinks is poor every time (its spun content, but I don’t believe its spun to any great degree, thus you could argue its verging on what some folks would deem “copied content”), those sites in the network that are offering up the backlinks to the top ranking website in its niche are all de-indexed.
That in no way leads to a penalty of the top ranking niche site, but it obviously can mean a loss of all its current rankings, depending on how reliant the webmaster has been on this particular network to achieve his or her backlinks.
Hope that makes sense Jim. Just a word of caution is all. Even though your own BB snippets may be top notch, if everyone else’s are not, it could mean that Goog disqualify a lot of your BB backlinks.
Hey Steve,
I’m having fun, I’m having fun, I’m having fun,
well maybe not, well maybe not, well maybe not…
Yeah I s’pose if you could very easily rank top spot for these sort of 10 buck niches, and then not have to do much linking to keep it there, that would be fun. And some folks do make a good livin that way after all.
I think if it were me pounding the keyboard for 15 hours a day these days Steve, the last two hours or so would be using my head to do the pounding. I don’t know how you can keep that up – lucky if I do 5 hours these days (and a quarter of that is spent fiddling around aimlesslessy), but then I’ve got this virus thing as a good excuse not to over-do it.
@Jo I absolutely agree with you about quality etc. And don’t you worry, I only use BB as a tool just like I use AMR and SocialADR. I really think a good diverse backlink profile is best, and then I also use your “Anchor Site” theory to ensure a stable set of backlinks exists that I also use AMR, SocialBot and BB on.
That always pushes me over the top.
(and you may recall I “outsource” to my kids lol )
Then, when I get stuck on page two for a week or two like most sites seem to do…I break out the old BMR
I do admit it is slow and a large amount of work….like 60-90 days for top 5 rankings… but since I’m a noo-b I still think its fun
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Hey Jim, yeah – I think the main problem that would stem from this type of Goog de-indexing is when you rely on one system too heavily. After all, no tool will guarantee permanent backlinks, and the only tool that I’ve come across that offers anything near permanent is BMR (other than those tools that submit content to web 2′s and article dirctory submissions of course).
Nice idea about only using BMR when you get stuck on page two. Even tho those links are all PRn/a, they still do seem to oofer enough energy to really make a difference.
Hi Jo
well im kinda an extreme person. I sleep and doss around or I work
When i get foucsed I just keep going and pretty much ignore the world. Before I use to work 7am to 9pm then the pub/clubs etc 5 day a week with little sleep. Saturday and sunday pulled it back to 9am to 7pm
and no going out LOl but hey i was young then 40.
It worked for me then. Now im old I just do the working thing for more hours and dont got to the pub
still a few years and ill do a retire thing again maybe
And dont forget the 485 italia is calling
and its got to be better than the alternative.
get well Jo. If i was as ill at youd id be getting loads of rest in the shade with a nurse to take take of me.
steve
Like ya said Jo..let it mature and build some links to it slowly. Maybe go for some high page rank contextual links here and there and slowly nudge it on up. It seems to still have some life and I would think with some maturity and some higher authority sites linking to it, there could possibly be a come back. When, who knows, but I bet its still has a chance! Wish you the best with this project, as I would want to keep it going my self and make something more from it.
@jim and @jo
This getting stuck on page 2 thing foten around position 11. Do you think hats google bot going “Hum seo guys lets tease them (wicked smile)” cos ist weird how often that happen. a lot of folks come to me with that specific problem. doesnot matter what they do they get stuck.
So, so you can see im not just stealing your ideas
Ive been playing with using PR4+ blog comments to try to move them (ontop of an existing 100 or so links normally) and it seems to unstick quite a few. They are PR4+ Page comments iwh tOBL less than 50. sometimes as low as 10.
When you using BMr to unstik @jim how many are you suing and how quickly do you make them go live?
thanks
steve
Steve…
“if I was as ill as you, I’d be getting loads of rest in the shade with a nurse to take care of me”…
LOL – let me ponder that for just a moment…
Niiiiiccceeee!
You mentioned the other day about the Ferrari – you got a mate who owns one? You said you managed to sit in one.
I went to the pub last night and managed to eat a little bit of mashed potato and had a glass of Ribena. Good going, huh? The odd thing is, I thought the excess podge would be dropping off around the mid-riff by now, but its not. Seems to be just about the same. A beer free diet for the past 10 days or more, and I’m eating about one third of my normal daily calorie intake, if that, but still that old wobbly belly persists. I guess that must be part of the mid life crisis thing… a permanent mid-riff wobble, no matter daily calorific intake is hardly much greater than those who suffered in the concentration camps of eastern Europe.
All this work you’re doing – as long as its worth it, either in terms of income, or in terms of pleasure, or ideally – in terms of both. I’m guessing for you its the IM dream that’s pushing you thru the pain barrier more than anything right now – after all, the 485 Ferrari is a rather huge carrot to be chasing. If you do manage to get one, I’ll be booking my flight back to the UK specially to “have a shot”, if you’ll let me that is
Hi Casey, those hi PR contextual links – to get those without a whole mass of other OBL’s often means paying thru the nose for them, and I dare not take the risk of such an investment. On the other hand, as you mention – gaining some higher authority site links back to it could be done fairly easily if I get someone to write up some blog guest posts in this niche. I’ll consider that. But on the other hand, I’m not keen on driving (non-buying) traffic to any site that I own that is not top notch. Not to say the content is at all week in any regard, but its nothing cutting edge and its not something I want to update constantly either, much as you would a good blog. I did say non-buying traffic – what I mean by that is those folks who read blogs in the niche are looking for regularly updated, interesting, new stuff, and are not looking to be sold some run-of-the-mill Clickbank product, are they. Thus I feel I’d be doing such folks a disservice by enticing them to the website. Its a different matter where SEO type visitors are concerned – many of them are going to be looking to purchase since my kwd choices are targeting the buyer arena.
Anyways, no real rush, and it is something I’ll come back to sometime in the future when the time feels right to do so. Thanks for your input Casey!
Yep sadly th ebelly dont go as quikly as the rest of the fat
At least there no reports of man boobs 
No, I bought a 328 GTS (same as what magnum had) som eyears ago and sold it when i got bored with it. So the guys at the garage are more than happy to let me do some widonw shopping. Could have test drove it but that would be to much
I’ve always been into a having a very few things. And those i have should always be the best. So right now i drive a slightly beaten up renualt CLio 1.6 18V which is more than enough.
I subscribe to the Donald Trump idea “surrond yourself with beutifull things” to which i add “and do with out until you can afford them”
So no i just have the ability to see the long game. Keep re-investing and eat and live cheap for now.
No sure IM is it. I’m still fairly sure the guys that make the most are the likes of Trent at onlineincomelab making money by showing other how to make money.. cough. Not for me that is not. Although Id never say i wont but I’d make the money first
Sure youd be welcome to drive my car.. one day hey
be well.. sleep long and prosper.. Me another 5 hours work will hit 6am then conference call at 11:30am
got customer ranking to achieve 
@ Steve, indeed I do think its Goog doing some kind of assessment on our webpage (and maybe even on our site as a whole). It doesn’t happen every time, and it doesn’t even happen on every webpage on the same site, which really does spell out the word “odd” to me. So to claim with any real knowledge exactly why it happens would be the wrong thing for me to do. I may as well try to sell you a BS glossy ebook for $97.29, rather than claim I fully comprehend the Google logic in this particular regard.
Aha – so you’ve been finding a number of hi PR blog pages that have lower OBL’s and you’ve also been able to get your comments in near the top end of the rest of the batch. I take it what you do is to reply to one of the comments near the top? Nice move!
I think BMR is a good way to unstick that 11th place ranking since you can get very fast and fairly hi PR backlinks in place, even if only for a few days. That’s often enough in itself to push your own webpage over the threshold, and I’m sure @Jim would agree.
@jo – and how many would you typically do of the bmr’s to try to unstick it?
Fortunately @ Steve, my man boobs are teeny, and that’s the way I’d like to keep them, or I’ll defo have to be getting myself a year’s pass to the local fitness center
Hmm… I really liked that Magnum car. How could you get bored of it? Just like any other toy I imagine?
The old Renault Clio you have – do you also have a boy racer exhaust attached? LOL! Those boy racer exhausts are real big business in this part of the world. Even on the smallest of the small cars, the guys insist on popping on the boy racer exhaust. I once saw/heard a Reliant Robin with a boy racer exhaust. Makes me think of Only Fools and Horses
I agree with your sentiments about Donald Trump (who’s father is from Edinburgh, Scotland, hence part of his love affair with the game of golf). Mind you, he did have a Russian wife, didn’t he. More the tennis playing sort than the shott putter however. But I bet her temperament is more shott-putter like, for want of a better description.
I’m more one for living for the moment, cos for most of my life I’ve scrimped and saved and it led to nothing but heart-ache. If I die a fulfilled man, I’ll be happy, even with zero in my bank account.
Yeah, you surely gotta be making the money first before you’re in a position to show others how they too can make money. Although, if you are surrounded by folks who make much less money than you do, but still work real hard for their crust, even though you’re hardly sinking in hundred dollar bills of your own, you’ve still got a really valid service to offer.
Let me know when you do manage to get the Ferrari, Steve. Pop me on the list of wannabe test drivers, won’t ya!
@ Steve, about 500,000
@Steve, don’t really know as very often I’m more intent on the number 1 spot so I just keep kickin out the BMR posts regardless. Plus, it depends on the comp and the amount of higher PR BMR posts I’m able to get, so its not easy to make a solid assessment of the number, but it doesn’t take long dat’s fo shu!
@jo
well the trump daughter seems like a really nice girl and sure has a good brain
OK so well just pump away at BMR’s
cheers
@ Steve – here’s an example In one niche, got stuck at 11th spot for what must have been almost 2 weeks. 8.8k global search term, so competition you would expect to be reasonable. After that two week period, my webpage shot up to 3rd ranking slot, then slumped to 9th, and now is back to 2nd. BMR all the way, with no other tools or backlinking being used.
@Steve If you’re truly good and stuck with no movement at all for at least a week or more, start BMR. I wrote all of my own, and did 2-3 a day. I usually target a few KW per page, but I will give you a quick case study.
I did a total of 32 posts in 22 days. 20 of them went to main page (10 main keyword, 6 secondary, 4 tertiary). The other 12 were links to other pages.
Within 7 days I broke into top 10, after 15 days it was top 3 and at the 22 day mark I was #1 for all 3 words and top 5 for 3 keywords I wasn’t targeting.
I did the exact same thing on a second site and it worked pretty well exactly the same (actually faster, but much lower comp).
While I’m a noob and probably go after a little lower comp than you guys, I really think BMR will help unstick. (and like Jo, just keep going until #1!)
I’m currently looking for a writer that will do 30 posts for 30 bucks for BMR. Those posts aren’t wasted…I can add 3 together and spin them for article directories, spin them singly and use them in Blog-Blueprint, spin and blast with AMR, spin and put them on web 2.0 …limitless possibilities.
Whoa sorry for the ramble LOL
I guess I’m a different breed of guy, sports cars just don’t do it for me. I prefer luxury vehicles myself
I am strongly considering a Mercedes in February when my current lease is up. Like Jo I like the “live for the now” thing. Although I never spend beyond my means, I like the best I can get and don’t settle for less.
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@Jo haha pretty much the same scenario as me, for the BMR thing. More reason to keep it a secret! It does work!
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@Jim – its ok nobody is reading this thread other than the three of us
$30 bucks for 30 + paypal fee I can get those for you! go to my site and drop me a contact if your interested. We’d email them back to you.
I also can live for the moment. Its simply im in a very focused driven period of time. My past experiences showe me that absoluete commiment for 18 months really bears fruit later on
I have to say i think Im missing something with BMR. maybe i just need to use more. Ill try that angle.
cheers
guys
@ Jim aka Noob, I like how in almost every reply/comment you make on here you point out that you are a noob. I’m starting to think there’s a different meaning to “noob” than the one I’m taking from your suggestions though. I think in future when I refer to Jim the noob, I”ll write something like “Jim who says he’s a noob but its just a form of subterfuge to keep us all guessing about his true SEO and IM abilities”.
I just looked up the word “subterfuge”: Deceit used in order to achieve one’s goal. LOL!
@jo i agree. Ive seen his site certainly a few steps above a noob. probably close to guru status.
@Steve I have to say I absolutely admire your drive and ambition, and wish I could even reach half that level. Kudo’s to you sir! As for the BMR posts…Awesome! consider me a client. I will drop by within the next few days for sure, and thanks!
@Jo I’m blushing
But the fact is I have not been in this game for long, and have acclomplished a mere fraction of what you guys have. So when I suggest I am a noob, it is to simply point out the fact what I say may not be the best advice, and that it is wiser to defer to the experienced folks like you, Steve, Tom and the others that come frequent your blog.
With that said it is truly humbling to see my “tactics” often closely mirror what you folks do! And if it truly is subterfuge…it must be a ploy to get you to join textbrokers right! hahaha
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@ Jim, I guess its not so much how long you’ve been in the game as it is how much you’ve achieved – or indeed, how much your drive is to achieve. That’s what matters more – or rather – if you can achieve the goals you set for yourself – that’s the key here and not all that gobble-de-gookie clap trap about how you have to be earning 50 grand a month before you’re a star. Peace in this life comes from within, after all. Part of the problem here is where does this end. At one time I thought that 5 grand US a month was going to be my be all and end all. Well, I got that one well and truly wrong! But the problem is now – when (or if) I reach the 20 grand a month, I’ll want 30. When I reach the 30, I’ll want more…. Where does it end? Getting off topic…
I most certainly appreciate your humbleness, but fact is, you surely can no longer be regarded as “Jim the noo-bee on the block”. Sorry if I’ve dispelled that dream
How about “Jim, the intermediate”?
Update on the rankings. The main kwd is now up to 30th, and my 18k search kwd has now returned to play and is sitting in 18th. Hmm… I surely would like to get that one in top ten as its a “dead-on” buyers kwd phrase, or at least that’s what I’m thinking – these days, its tricky to figure out what a buyer’s kwd phrase really is – folks seem averse to spending money on anything, so it seems. Nevertheless, all the rankings that I’m now monitoring are all improving regardless I’m still not backlinking again. I think its time for some gentle BMR action!
Now then Jo, no crying when it tumbles
At least youll know its going to come back again.
I hope it doesnot.
steve
Fact is Steve, even though this project may currently be seen as a bit of a failure by many folks – is it really a failure?
When you think about it, there’s about 4 kwd phrases already top ten, with a further one in 11th position, and this other one with 18k global search in 18th once more. If those were all real buyer kwd phrases and not so much freebie seeker type kwd phrases as they appear to be, the income could be really good.
Let’s see what happens when I do start to gently nudge the two kwd phrases (the main one and the 18k one) with some light BMR backlinking (I’ve set it at 1 – 3 links per day for now)… should be very interesting cos of the sort of info this is making available to us for other such high end projects that may be worked in something of a similar fashion. I’m starting to feel a sense of excitement all over
Hi Jo
The site nor the project are failures. I think the method is IMHO fiverr gigs are danegours again IMHO.
Im working on a few sites which behave this way and working on ways to recoup them back to health. Im not one for wasting resources and efforts.
Although Ill share another idea. If it come back up as it just has. I might leave it well alone and 301 it to a new site. or another one of my sites.
The link juice youve built up should flow across and be pretty tasty maybe?
just another use maybe..
I can feel your attached to this on ethose so maybe the doctor is called for.
Steve
I’m happy to have used the fiverr gigs, Steve. Great value for money, as long as you are fully aware of the potential for irrecoverable damage.
Have you tried the 301 method, and if so – what’s you findings on that thus far?
I’m not attached to it as of yet cos its been almost all outgoing cash flow with very little return. Plus its a niche that I’m not exactly fascinated by either. Nevertheless, if I do start to see some returns, then I will get a bit more attached. I’ve just popped adsense on the thing again since its got some different top ten rankings than when I previously tried adsense. The ads showing are generally very relevant so I’d be thoroughly surprised if there’s not a few clicks to be had.
Yep Ive found the 301 to pass juice. But I think its more applicable with high PR aged domains which i know some bad boys buy and then 301 to newer sites to boost them
grrrh
Cough “Great value for money, as long as you are fully aware of the potential for irrecoverable damage. ” are you sure your talking about Fiverr Gigs… this sounds like its more to do with Wives!!
And if gigs. well were going to have to differ on this one for once. Othere than you have covered it with a caveat.. To my mind and experince so far its like russian roulete and thats a game i dont like.
Ive seen to many disaster now with folks showing me sites to bakclink and heck i just did this gig thing and… boom. Gigs to the anchor layers ah now thats okish..
Going to have to crash. tooo many long days and have to be up early. hope your resting and not working tomuch.
cheers
Yesterday, 3 of my sites were sandboxed. Most of the keywords I targeted were in the top 10 places and suddenly all disappear.
Joseph, any good advice on getting out of sandbox?
Hmm…Steven, I would not say that wives are great value for money. Otherwise, I can see the similarity with regards to the irrecoverable damage!
I surely am not saying Fiverr gigs on the whole are good to hit a money site with – not unless the money site is very mature with a whole gamut of backlinks in place already. In this instance however, I felt I got value for money – whether they were responsible for the sites’ dumping, that’s going to always be open to speculation. It could have been the AMR work… And most certainly there are a lot of Fiverrs that could be used on a secondary layer, as you pointed out. I personally would not use any of the Fiverr gigs I found to hit a new money site, that’s simply asking for immediate trouble.
Yeah, I crash regularly throughout the day these days Steve. I can only go about 4 hours or so before I need to get some sleep. I really hope this is not going to last forever as it can be somewhat limiting, even to those of us who work when we want and where we want.
Golly gosh Harrison! Are you sure your sites are in fact “sandboxed”. Not de-indexed? Any idea (if they are not de-indexed) how far down the rankings your kwds now are? Got any that are still hanging around in similar ranking positions to previously? With this sort of information, its a little easier to make something of a judgement call as to what you may try to do. But the way you’ve put it right now Harrison, sounds like you’re all but doomed with regards to these 3 sites, sorry to say…
oh, it is really sad to hear that…
One of my sites is still hanging around 200-250. One of it totally disappear within 500 positions. The last one is a little bit weird because my site is still ranking around 66 for my main keywords, but it is not my main page anymore. It is replaced with another page which I don’t really focus on it.
I think my sites are not deindexed because I still can find my sites if I search my url in Google. I am using a tool to check whether my sites are sandboxed. It is a free tool and the url is
http://www.searchenginegenie.com/sandbox-checker.htm
Thanks for the link to the de-indexing checking tool Harrison!
Firstly, were you making money from these sites? Or do you feel they truly have the potential to make good money? I presume so, and if so, you’ve got to keep in mind that it may well be worth starting over again. However, Steve mentioned the 301 re-direct, whereby you set up a new domain, add some fresh content, and redirect all your inbound links from the previous domain to the new domain via the 301 re-direct. That way you don’t lose the previous “juice”.
But in the meantime, what to do, and how will you know if you can retrieve what is lost or not? Well, that’s the million dollar question. But in my experience, for those kwds or webpages that have been dumped way down the rankings – hundreds of pages down on their previous ranking – although they will come back, I can’t say that they will ever reach their former ranking position. You could very well gain top 20 or so, but to get top 10 or top 5 may not be achievable. Mind you, I’m saying that only from my own experience, and to be honest, I’ve not attempted to do that too often because I tend to give up in frustration. Its like Google do play ball with you, but only to a certain extent. So what’s the point of even starting if they don’t want to fully entertain you… In a sense, they are now gaming you, rather than the other way around.
For those webpages or kwds that have been dumped down maybe 10 or 20 rankings, they still have a good chance of retaining previous rankings. May be wise to either stop all backlinking for now and then begin again slowly in a couple of weeks (they may very well have retained previous rankings by then). I know some folks would say you should never do that because it appears wrong to Google. But then it already appears wrong to Google or else you’d not have been dumped. This is, as you know, what I’m doing with my current hi end project – I’ve now started backlinking again very slowly, but I’m only going to focus on two kwds and not bother about the rest because if Google refuse to rank my site, then at least I’m not spending a whole lot of time and money on it. In a sense, its a low key experiment, and one that is well worthy of my time and effort – what little time and effort I will put into it anyhow.
For those webpages or kwds that have been dumped down perhaps 30 to a few hundred slots in the rankings – well, again – its possible these could be re-ranked and improved upon.
The thing is, Google will have flagged your sites now Harrison, so they will be watching the backlinking patterns more closely than before. Should anything appear out of the ordinary, and they’ll be very swift to dump you down all over again.
I wish you well!
Joseph
@harrison
your not sandboxed i dont think your just doing a google dance. have you been agressively backlinking ?
“The last one is a little bit weird because my site is still ranking around 66 for my main keywords, but it is not my main page anymore”
this is google showing the top ranking page on your site for that keyword. as its drop out of the serps on the original URL you’ll se it on this one now. Are you using market samuri?
Often when im growing links on a site I can see a keyword ranking on 4 or more pages on my site, especially when i have related articles. later on it will get to the point where one page is the authoirty and the other “drop” off.
so hopefully just dance.
Steve
Well Jo sorry I have been lurking for awhile.
The Truth is I have been so busy with my offline life that I have been reading your post on my phones email when I get them from your list !! so Kudos for setting up your list because it is helping me get my daily dose of VOO DOO while I am “out of pocket” as some people say.
I am very glad your site has bounced back and interestingly enough my gutter site that was targeting a very low competition keyword has bounced back … after I took all the content down !!! I am guessing once goog deep crawls the site it will dissapear from rankings but when I checked today I was ranking at 11 for my main term …. the highest previous ranking was 9.
I think the only route to go is to leave mine nearly untouched for a while (If I put the content back up). I think very slow backlinking would be the better choice for your site since it is targeting a much larger niche than mine.
Very sorry to hear about your Illness. I hope it passes soon. Do you have access to Antibiotics there? I guess if it is a virus they will not help but if I get sick for that long I start looking for anything that might help .
P.S. We have had over 50 clicks for our J/V site which is awesome !! . Of course some conversions would be nice but there is still a lot of room to improve !.
Hi Jo
Opps i kinda posted over you. Sorry for any confusion.
You could well be right but as its multi site im hoping (for harrisons sake) hes done some agressive work and he might recover
Here one of mine
this is proper dancing i think as each time it gets better.. scarey game though
http://screencast.com/t/y64k90irE
what i did when it hit the decks was back of. BUT you can see when i build links to it it drops and then comes back better
you can see the first time it got dumped i was at 50. so i built no links for a month then eased back in and since then slow and steady and im at 10 but with two scarey drops. the second time at 20 and then at 20. this is a 40,500 exact match keyword cpc $2 somewhere.
Im not holind my breath on this site but its interesting to test recovery.
steve
Yeah Steve, you took a different angle to answer Harrison in his current dilemma, so its complimentary to my own input. Thanks for sharing your experience on this particular site – obviously it shows that there is still life to be had from a previous Google dumping, particularly now you’ve managed to get to 10th spot, which for a 40.5k exact match search volume is nicely in the money!
@steve … Well steve I had to throw in one more plug for tesla
… the 485 is such a beautiful beast and it claims a 0-60 time of just under 3.3 seconds … pretty insane.
While not as beautiful the fully electric Tesla Roadster Sport has a 0-60 of 3.7 Seconds.
The 4-door fully electric Model-s Signature Sport has a 0-60 of 4.4 seconds …. It can seat 5 adults and 2 kids.
As a car lover you have to see how amazing that is !!! Ha. And the thought of Test driving a 485 blows my mind much less owning one. How much do they run?
Hey Blake, yes I know you are very busy offline right now – good to learn you’ve been following along with the online stuff regardless. Hope that big job you landed is panning out well for you!
I surely would be inclined to put your content back up on the site. Is Goog now ranking a blank page on your site?
Regards to my illness. Well, I was chatting to a Malay lady the other evening at the bar (whilst I sipped my Ribena, of all things!) and she was saying “I know you as a white skinned guy will not believe in our medicine but I would suggest you go to a Malay kampong (village) and ask for help there”.
Obviously this means non-traditional healthcare. But fact is, I’m happy to give it a go, even though I do poke fun at this stuff fairly often – voodoo witchcraft hocus pocus, LOL! Traditional medicine has failed me thus far, so there can be little harm (I would hope) in trying alternative means. Who knows, I may indeed become something of a convert to voodoo witchcraft hocus pocus medical practices. Currently all I’m really doing is resting a whole lot more than normal (not through choice I may add), laying off the alcohol entirely (not through choice I may add!!!), and biding my time with strong pain killers – this virus has the tendency to make the whole muscle system ache, much akin to influenza.
I’ve been watching the proceedings on our jv site, along with the second spot ranking for one of our kwd phrases. What baffles me yet again though Blake is the lack of sales. What exactly is happening these days – a festive season where very few people are buying any Christmas presents?? I know we could use more traffic to the site, and we did lose our biggie from the top ten (I think because our competition upped their backlinking game, rather than we’ve slacked off on ours), but we’re still getting enough traffic and enough click throughs to Amazon etc to warrant a good few sales by now I would have thought…
@blake.. Nah.. you wont convince me on that one
Here in the Uk they are around £210,000 so what $330,000 lets not worry about petrol, servicing or insurance
so quite a few adsense clicks
lol
An electrically powered car can do 0 – 60 mph in 3.7 seconds? Wow! I was thinking more along the old milk cart speeds. Not sure if you are familiar with the electric powered milk cart in the US, but we in the UK are – 0 – 15 mph in about 20 seconds flat!!
Goog is indeed now ranking a nearly blank site. It simply says G dumped as the title and as the only text on page. And there is ad sense as well. I would like to take it off my blank page but I am not sure how lol. I spent a few minutes fiddling with it and have gave up … maybe I will get more clicks since all they can see is the ads !
As for non western medicine there is defiantly a lot of very good knowledge there that can do a lot of good. That being said there is a some stuff that will do very little or possibly harm you although depending on what the “treatment” was I would consider it for sure.
Our JV site is perplexing to me too. I would think with as many clicks as we have had we would see some sells but I am encouraged with how well are rankings are going. The traffic we are seeing now should be a drop in the bucket of the traffic we are seeing 12 months from now. Hopefully then we have our conversion rate a bit higher too.
I wonder If I should switch out all the items to either high end items or low end items for a couple of weeks and see if it will help conversions either way. If you want to run a test after Christmas let me know.
@steve I will not even convince you that it is an amazing vehicle?
Lol No I am not familiar with milk carts Jo !
Yea it is a pretty insane electric car. The company will either fail soon or become one of the great(est) automakers in my opinion … I am betting on the latter !
Ps. Click my name to see what is hosted on my site hah
@Steve, no I am using a software call “Free Monitor For Google”. It is really a handy tool.
Yes I have been doing some aggressive backlinking. Maybe I should stop for a while, just like what Joseph said and see what will happen.
Hey, thanks for all the inputs. I have “family” feel here. If I have trouble, I share over here, and I can get a lot of helps from the “family members”. The feeling is really good. Joseph, you have a great blog
Blake – LOL! “Maybe I’ll get more clicks cos all they can see are the ads”. Worth a shot! Maybe your site is better without your content, LOL!
I suspect the treatment will involve hocus pocus ali kazam sort of chanting (which I’ve seen before whilst here in Kuching), along with some sort of plant-based concoction (hopefully highly hallucinogenic
).
With regards to lack of sales – I’m seeing exactly the same on another jv site that also has top level rankings – traffic is decent, but sales are nada. Its a lower end product than ours so I would have thought the sales would have been half decent – click through as usual is decent, so its nothing wrong with the actual layout or monetization of the site. Folks just don’t wanna be spending is all.
Split testing is well worth doing. I think we have enough traffic now to split test effectively. By all means post Christmas we can begin on that – I take it your big job will have completed by then?
If I’m not mistaken Blake, the electric milk cart came after the horse drawn milk cart, so it shows that electrically powered vehicles have been around a heck of a long time. Let’s hope that the Teflon car does indeed succeed and thrive – that’s one fast motor!
I’ll be sure to check on your now text-less website
Blake – that’s a great image in your header graphic! I’d be more inclined to gawk at the image than to click on the ads
Hey Harrison, you can share anything you like on my blog and you’ll always get a reply – and it need not be about online matters either, as I’m sure you’ve noticed by now
I’m sure you can bring your sites back, but whether you can rank all your webpages where you’d really want them to be is quite another matter cos Goog may have other things on their “mind”, I’m afraid.
Whats up Jo? I was just browsing the flippa sites that just sold and this is what caught my eye. I could live off this for awhile, but just imagine what you could accomplish investing this into something greater. Amazing for sure…lol
https://flippa.com/2676906-clickbank-top-10-seller-456-686-profit-1-019-901-visitors-low-reserve
Gotta say Casey, I love the concept of this, erm… concept! He’s made a ton of money and for obvious reason. And oh what a simple idea it is! Man, there’s rich pickings out there for those who buck the trend and get that bit creative with their thinking! Thanks for sharing this – really cool idea!
Hey Jo ! … Hope you are feeling better bud.
Just wanted to drop in and say thanks a ton for the great info that has been coming from your list. Anyone not on Jo’s list should join up for sure. He sends great stuff that does not appear on the blog and does not spam you with crap like so many other people do. Cheers !
Blake
LOL – thanks for the heads up Blake!
Too true – too true – I don’t spam and I only send out stuff that I know I would personally appreciate if I were on the receiving end. Today’s newsletter broadcast most certainly will not fit everybody’s bill, but that’s not the main crux of the matter in actual fact. This is merely a springboard to something else that I’m really hoping will be MUCH BIGGER!!
Anyways, got another very interesting post for the blog already written up – something that’s just come about a little earlier on today in fact, and I know this info will affect rather a lot of regular readers to my blog – particularly those who have seen their site/s penalized in Google rankings of recent. I’ll post that up within the next few hours.
Thanks again Blake!
Jo
Just checked our JV site sales and We made a couple ! Considering how the site is actually very young I am excited to see some affiliate sells. In Time it could become a real moneymaker !
Blake
I had not checked that for a couple of days Blake so thanks for the update – yup, that’s good to finally see cos otherwise Christmas sales would have been a real flop! Mind you, as I mentioned a while back to you, it would appear that our competitors upped their SEO game rather a lot on the run up to Christmas, and that caused our rankings to sway around a fair bit, which most certainly did not help us. Nevertheless, I agree with you entirely – longer term and we should be seeing very regular sales Blake, and this truly does excite me too! We’re also moving up nicely for a couple of the real big time kwd phrases, so its all shaping up rather nicely for us!
Your being a tease Jo, publish
ill be very intrested to read the stuff about rescuing panda hit sites.
Something ive been working of for a few clients… !
have fun
No real secret as such Steve, but I do wanna share some info about a site that just came back for me today, and the rankings are as strong as ever they were too! Not long to wait before publication
Hi All..
i love it’s info and articles cool!!, so many folks in this world far worse off than I. Nevertheless, the real “killer blow” is when you are physically spent all the time and mentally incapable of adding 2 and 2 together to get 4. That kinda thing occasionally gets you worried because you start to think your business
Hi Jenny, not sure if you are intent on spamming my blog or otherwise, and if you are not, I’m sorry to even have suggested it. Nevertheless, the reason I’ve let your comment through is that I rather like your name
Joseph, do you know how to get this kind of backlink?garminzumo660 dot org. I found several new sites(1-2 months) can rank in the top 10 just with these kinds of backlinks.
PS: please replace dot with “.”
Hi Harrison, looks like some sort of (poor quality) website network which was put together for the purpose of getting backlinks. I say poor quality because the content is fairly poor which can have Goog de-index the site if a human reviewer finds it (which they quite often do by tracking back links on high ranking websites that have used this sort of network for backlinking). Further, there’s a lot of links on the PR2 page, which suggests that the juice is quite a lot lower than it would at first appear. You’d probably need quite a lot of these sort of backlinks to gain much juice.
All that said, it may be other than a network, I’m just making that presumption.
Hope it works out well for you Harrison!
Joseph
People who guarantee top rankings for google can do it, but not on keywords which the company in question want.
Generally I would agree with what you say Carribean Med School, but there are instances where the company in question have fairly week backlinking structure, so even though they do have the dot com exact match domain for their product, which obviously provides a good advantage to them, its still possible to topple them from top spot, even for the exact match kwd to the product. I’m in pursuit of this sort of thing right now with a few kwd phrases, so I’ll see how it goes, but I’m fairly confident of success.
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