Howz things with the project site today?
Well the news is not good news – Google dumped the site. There is only one ranking left from the four targeted rankings, and that’s been dropped 9 places – from first page to second page.
So first things first – will I keep on going and keep on trying to rank the site? Erm – nope, I don’t believe I will. If I see some return of the rankings over the coming weeks then probably I’ll pick up the reins once more, but until then I feel its going to be cash down the tubes. Up till now I’ve invested about $400 US and with a mere trickle of income from AdSense, so its hurting rather a lot. But that was the risk I took and its not paid off – such is life.
I could of course try out another method here – purchase a different domain name and take all the current content from the current domain and add it to the new domain and begin all over. Whether that would work however, I really don’t know. May be worthy of a go since its got to be a very lucrative niche once the rankings have indeed been achieved (preferably in Google, and not so much in Yahoo Search or Bing).
What to make of this? Why did the site get dumped?
Well, there are a number of potential reasons.
Google may well have been watching proceedings right from the start and were just biding their time and playing a game with me. Or, it could have been the round of Article Marketing Robot backlinks. I’d be a little surprised at that however, since I only managed to get 170 successful submissions over a period of 3 days. Nevertheless, this has to be potential reason enough for getting whacked and if I could turn back time, I surely would not have used AMR quite yet – or not quite so fast.
Will I utilize this type of method in future – fast and furious from the get-go?
Hmmm… the risk is always going to be that you invest relatively heavily in the early weeks only to see your site getting popped, but you can of course argue that this can happen to any fresh site (many maturer sites suffer a somewhat similar fate too). So, chances are good that I will utilize similar methods in future, but perhaps take things a little slower than with this project site.
There’s not much more to add right now and to be honest I’m a little down in the dumps about the whole episode, even though it was always a decent possibility that it would turn out this way. Best instead to now turn my attentions to the Christmas rush which for me personally is not going to be nearly as good as last years since all my eBay sites no longer make the income they at one time did.
Fact of the matter is, this SEO business can be a tough old cookie to crack and you can end up being beaten up time and time again. But even if you have one site out of ten or so that is truly successful, that can be plenty enough to make a really good profit, hence we should all try to keep focused come what may!
Briefly, on another matter – the site that I purchased about 3 weeks ago or so is finally making some Amazon income. Two sales made yesterday for a total haul of $141.80, which obviously only netts me a few bucks. But fact is, this site should do very nicely on the run up to Christmas, so I should turn more attention to that instead of moaning and groaning about the poor showing of the fast Goog rankings project site. For sure – I’ll be taking things much more slowly with the purchased site since I want to sell it fairly soon for a decent return on original investment.
I was going to also make this into a blog expose and discuss what I was doing in order to gain these profits, but I’ve decided otherwise since there are a number of other folks who are doing a similar thing right now. Sorry about that, but I’d prefer to keep things fresh rather than appear to be copy-catting which can soon become somewhat stale.
Previous (and future) Fast Google Ranking Project posts are here…
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Post 2: http://www.josepharchibald.com/rank-website-weeks-google-competitive-niche-post-2
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Hm well nuts! I was hoping to see some kind of success from that test. Sorry google decided to whack you!
I don’t mean to go off on a tangent so early in what will surely be an interesting discussion, but I was wondering do you pick the keyword first and start a site, then decide what way to monetize it? Or do you find a product, CPA offer or Clickbank product and then find a related keyword?
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Well screw googol ….
I was thinking about registering whygoogleisabitch.com and setting up a forum for everyone in the SEO game to bitch and moan …. I know i would be filling up pages right now and I am sure many others would too …..
Thanks for sharing this experiment with us and do let us know if it returns in the rankings any ….
I know it easy to be down in the dumps about googol (currently trying not to stay there too long myself) but you have the right idea on focusing on your projects that might get a boost from Christmas sales.
And once again … sorry googol raised its ugly head again
Concerned Reader
Joe –
It’s been a while (I’ve been pretty swamped like usual) and wanted to see how you’ve been getting on. I didn’t see your whole test here, I’ve just read through the first and this one, and I’m wondering what your verdict is here – too fast?
Or was it the Fiverr gigs you paid for, etc?
The thing is about Fiverr gigs – they may do their thing, but if they use spammy user accounts on social media that have no reputation in Google, etc., then they’re easy enough to discount and flag…
The whole “rel=author” tag that Google came out with and the G+ network being an indication, reputation as well as links really count for a lot these days, at least that’s my gut instinct.
In any event, I’d like to hear your thoughts on why you think it was dumped. Also: do you think it could bounce back? I’ve had sites get dumped and bounce back on occasion (even from +900 and beyond)…time will tell I suppose.
Don’t beat yourself up, I think you’ve taught me (and Pat Flynn of course) a thing or two: your linking via buffer sites still works. Competing in competitive markets by slinging links may not work – for obvious reasons (Google doesn’t want to be gamed, especially in competitive verticals: that would be too easy)…
I don’t think every keyword responds the same. Take car insurance, for example – or “SEO” terms…these things take time and consistent effort.
Longtails on the other hand are another story…
I actually just wanted to tell you not to give up or let Google get you down: it may be their index, but they don’t own the internet. SEO is just one traffic source, there’s countless others. Chin up, Joe.
The other thing I’
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Nuts indeed Jim!
More these days I’m intent on focusing only on stuff that I know I can make money from. There’s been too much gunk in the past that appears to offer the chance to make some serious income, but when you actually rank it, the income has not materialized as you think it should do. Mind you – you can make a real hash of things – take cpa offers for example. What happens if you are ranking well for some hi end kwds and your homepage is killer with a superb cpa offer on it. But most of your traffic is not from the US/and/or – the kwds you’ve ranked for are not specific enough to the actual offer. I tell you what happens – your site fails to see good returns is what happens, even though you thought you were onto something real big at the beginning. So for now, rather than experimenting too much with new stuff, I’m prefering to focus more on stuff that I know I can actually make real hard cash from simply by doing what I did previously and enhancing it to some extent.
LOL Blake – I think you’d see your site deindexed pretty fast by the Goog, although the concept is thoroughly appealing!
The fact is, this project was a big risk so chances were always good it would pan out this way. So there’s not much to be disheartened about other than it is somewhat of a disappointment – but no time for doomstering – gotta get on with getting on – well its either that or I go down the local cafe and chill out for a bit with the company of about ten bottles of beer
Hey James, it sure has been a while and I hope things are coming along very well for you, which no doubt they are!
Could have been the accumulation of low end Fiverr gigs that did this, yup – that surely could factor into it. Fact is its tricky to get a decent amount of quality links when using Fiverr so its imperative to mix and match with other backlinks which I was intent on doing. It may have been AMR which was the catalyst, although as mentioned, its not like many of the submissions were successful and there’s no way that the 170 that were successful were all indexed on the same day. Not easy to call James, but if I could turn back time and change things, I’d lessen the AMR links cos up till then the rankings were swift and very positive.
Agreed – the site could bounce back and as it stands its not a site-wide penalty. So there is still potential for it to bump up again. But rather than me throwing more cash at it, I’d prefer just to sit back and watch. In which case Goog may never want to re-rank it. As you say – we will see.
Yeah – I’m pretty cool with what’s happened James. Its not as if it was totally unexpected. I’ll live to fight on another day, even if the thought of beer for breakfast is rather appealing right now
Thanks for taking the time to comment, and also for the tweets – very much appreciated!
All the best James!
Jo
So… all we must do is hope you drink beer for breakfast and then in a mildly drunken state you may come divulge just exactly what you can make cold hard cash from
Hm. Hey Jo, can I buy you a few pints my good sir? LOL
All joking aside, it was an interesting learning experience! I will stick with slow and steady and..well, hope I don’t get slapped!
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Jim, I’ll give you a clue as to how I found one of – if not THE best performer in terms of hard cash – FLIPPA AUCTIONS. Watch the auctions for a bit and you can get a feel for what’s real hot and what is simply not!!
Hello, Joseph!
Thank you for sharing your experiment with us! I hope over time your site gets ranked higher. In any case you have done well very fast.
I have just started learning about SEO and internet marketing. I have found you through Pat Flynn and the warrior forums. I don’t have specific products yet, but I’m working on that.
Greetings from Bulgaria!
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Hi Lubo from Bulgaria, welcome to my blog and thanks for taking the time to comment and also for your good wishes!
I’m not concerned by this “episode” really Lubo – already I’ve been busy with assessing and re-assessing for the future and its all go right now. The rankings of the site I purchased about 3 weeks ago are coming along really well, even though its hardly been touched in terms of backlinks. Plus I’ve got some new stuff on the burners, and some old stuff to re-focus on, including a little experiment with a domain that Goog seems to like – which is fairly unusual. I say “like” simply because this particular domain only has about 4 pages of content, is over 2 years old now, and maintains its rankings in a fairly uncompetitive niche I may add, without me having to do much backlinking at all. Well, I thought today I would start pushing it harder since although the search volume is very small for the kwds I’m targeting, it does very nicely on AdSense. So it makes (Ad)sense to bump all my chosen kwds – about 6 in all – right up to the top in Goog.
I’m hoping for more joy with this than with the hi end project
All the best Lubo!
Joseph
Hey Jo,
Sorry to hear that it didn’t go to plan. You may have spent a few hundred bucks, but you have increased your knowledge of what Google will let you get away with (or not), which can’t be a bad thing!
Cheers,
Tom
Hey Joseph,
I’m sorry to hear Google hit the site but don’t let Google get you down. This was the risk and odds were high.
I still think you can make some “residual money” out of the project. Make a compilation of the Fiverr gigs and sell it for a few bucks. It won’t take you a long time to do that.
Cristina
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Hi Jo
well the experiment is NOT a failure. Just an expensive one.
I ran the same test in july/auygust in the VBL Niche Project with the same results.
I used a lot of senukex campaigns rather than fiverr campaigns.
My view is Fivver campaigns are a very very bad idea for backlinking unless to an anchor layer
Rapid linkbuilding may well be a thing from the past unless your lucky.
steve
Hi Tom, I’ve increased my knowledge about how to “get rid of” a fast 400 greenbacks, that’s for sure! Normally I get rid of my money much more slowly than this
Fact remains however – I’m much further forward in terms of knowledge and income than I was at this time last year, so that’s by far and away the main thing – after all, its coming to that time of year when you start to compare to where you were a year ago, and you start to try to figure out where you wanna be come another 12 months time.
All the best Tom!
Jo
Hi Cristina, I’ll think it through. At the moment I’m more for thinking about other things rather than mulling over what could have been. I’ve got some new stuff underway so I’d like to focus on that. But there’s a reasonable chance I’ll come back to this project and either mop up the pieces or pick up on where I left off once the air has cleared a bit. We’ll see how things pan out tho Cristina, thanks!
Jo
Hey Steeve, I’ve still a notion that this sorta thing can work out well. Something obviously went wrong and if I were to pinpoint anything right now it has to be the AMR work. However, it could have been an accumulation of “wrongs” and its not possible to be dead cert on anything. Nevertheless, no harm done other than a few dollars blown – and I”m of the mind that a few dollars blown on something like this tends to have the habit of bringing in more dollars down a different channel, so overall it tends not to be a loss at all – more education than anything else, which has to be a good thing when all’s said and all’s done!
Have a good evening, sir!
Jo
Hi Joseph
I would like to thank you for setting up this test and providing us with this kind of valuable feedback. I have also attempted to rank sites quickly and achieved similar results, as a matter of fact one of my bouncing sites is now ranking nicely in goog after 3 months, but seems to have been deindexed in yahoo and bing. Go figure.
Enjoy the beer
hey, Joseph.thanks for sharing this.. Can you please tell how many backlinks you got till now to the site you are trying to rank. Basically i want to know how many backlinks are too much for new domain.
My site was 2 months old has near 100 links stuck on 2nd page for long time. i am confused if start increasing backlinks fast or continue slowly as i do now.
Hi Alex, isn’t that an oddity!! De-indexed in Bing and Yahoo S, but still merrily bouncing around in Google – wonders will never cease!
Its been my pleasure Alex and thank you for your input – good to hear from you!
Jo
Hi Sanind, how are things with you these days?
How many backlinks in all? I’ve really no idea I’m sorry to say. Some of the backlinks are still to be indexed whilst others will never be indexed so its difficult to say with any clarity really. I often find these days that sites stick in 11th spot in Goog – seems that Goog are assessing the value of the site before they let it reach the top ten – that’s happened to many of my sites over the past 2 or 3 months, and I know its also happened to Steve Wyman. Sometimes the webpage can stick there for weeks even when you are backlinking fairly strongly.
I’d be wary of upping the backlinking fairly aggressively though Sanind. To do that would probably catch Goog’s attention so probably best to slowly ease up the velocity. I know at this time of year many of us want to get our webpages top ten for the Christmas rush, but no doubt that will bring about a whole lot of casualties in terms of ranking penalties. Best to keep things fairly much on pace with what you’ve been doing up till now with a slow increase – or indeed, add in some hi PageRank backlinks if you can get them – hi PR with low outbound links on the page where you gain your backlink would very possibly be enough to shove the page over the top ten threshold.
I’m currently doing a “hush-hush” study on a new tool which I’m expecting to see very good results from. Its too early to let the cat out of the bag on that one cos I want to be sure it works for me before I let loose on the blog about that. But I sense this sort of tool would be close to ideal for leveraging those rankings over the threshold. Sorry I can’t be more explicit on that right now Sanind – all in good time. If it does work as well as I’m expecting, I’ll be offering a pretty sweet deal to folks here on my blog (maybe even sweeter to those on my list) because I’ve managed to get a good deal for myself with the owner of the tool and I suspect that will be even better if I can get a good few folks to also sign up via my affiliate link for it.
Kind regards
Jo
Hey Jo,
Live and learn!
Just some general questions about your methods as I’m just starting out…
You mention that you use the AdWords tool to find your rankings, how do you go about doing this? I’ve been unable to find out how.
Also, how do you know that Google dumped your site? (do you do a site:url and find nothing? or did you just drop out of the rankings for your keywords?)
Many thanks,
Dave
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Sorry to hear about your rankings Joseph. I have been enjoying your updates. Well I will keep up with your original 40day backlinking strategy. So far it has worked for my as I have 2 sites that just hit the first page of “Big G” and they are about gifts so I hope that it will be a merry Christmas for me! Keep your head up and don’t be down about this. There is a lesson in everything we do!
@Blake G I think you would make a ton of money off a site like that! Hilarious!
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Hi Dave, what’s the issue you have with regards tot he adwords tool?
Yeah, the site disappeared for some of its previous rankings, which suggests a page “wide” Google ranking penalty – or at least a kwd “wide” penalty. But its not site “wide” so it could in fact be worse and there is a chance it will come back given some time.
Regards
Joseph
Hi Tai, this was merely one challenge of many ongoing challenges so nothing to be overly disheartened about. As I mentioned right at the start of the process, there was always a good chance Goog would catch up with me, so its not particularly surprising one way or the other. I’ll just have to come up with some new material for my blog here – that’s the more challenging issue right now
. Thanks for your good wishes Tai!
Jo
Jo,
Where in adwords do you go to get to the tool? I can’t find any tool that allows you to perform a search that would show you where you rank
Thanks,
Dave
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Dave, follow this link…
https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
If you merely want search volume stats, that will be on the page that you see first. If you want to see Google rankings (for any country in the world) then go to the top tab and click Tools, then Ad Preview and Diagnosis. Job done!
Hope that’s helpful Dave!
Jo
Sorry to hear Jo. It seems as if google is making it harder to rank any sites. You mentioned flippa. You bet thats where the moneys at. I too have been watching the sites that are selling. Justin from adsense flippers just posted a bundle of niche sites and they went fast. I kept an eye on that. I see one guy building up sites that offer backlink services and flipping them left and right. You outsource it for $5 and profit anywhere from $45 and upwards. Lol I wouldnt be suprised if he was using fiverr gigs. However, there selling fast. Anyways, I know its not the end. Youll have something going soon im sure.
Thanks for.everything,
Casey
Hey Casey – interesting to learn about Justin’s sites on Flippa – he’s now built up a following so no doubt those sites are snapped up real quick! I got lots of things going Casey, you are quite right about that. Figuring out what to share on my blog and with my list is the next step to take – no doubt lots of fun times ahead!
Thanks Casey!
Jo
Oh well, Joseph, chin up…
I hope your sales and rankings get better soon — despite this setback.
Aren’t you the one who told me about Build My Rank? Are you still using them? I like them.
Let’s pray it all works out. At least you successfully eliminated that option from this experiment — so it’s really not a failure after all.
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Hi Paula, chin up indeed!
I’m not sure if I told you about BMR but I know you do use my affiliate link for it.
Failure simply means one step closer to success Paula. Surely I did not used to see it this way due to the fact there were far too many failures and not nearly enough successes. But this is a fact of life – the more failure you have, the closer you are to what we as internet marketers tend to describe as success. Mind you, success for one person is failure to another, and what appears to be a success one year, could indeed be regarded as failure the next year, if that makes sense – this year your target for internet marketing income may be 12k, where next year its 18k and so on. You get my point I’m sure – long winded, I know
Ballsy experiment Jo. And to make it so public to all us SEO novices is even more ballsy. I guess you never know where the absolute limit is until you test it and find out exactly where that line is…..Im too much of a coward to find out (although I have an idea) but you went out and did it publicly. That takes brass balls, my Scottish friend.
On a more tactical note, what did you learn the most from this most gutsy SEO experiment, which by the way, none of us us are courageous enough to try because most of us are soooooo concerned with staying on the good side of big G we nwvwr step out, test the limits and never push the envelope of big G as a result?
Awesome blog post series btw…..one for the ages.
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Hey Ralphy, thanks for sharing your most positive of thoughts concerning the ballsy live project!
Yup – it was merely about testing out what can or cannot be done with regards to ranking in Google. This time it fell on hard times however, but who knows, the previous rankings may well reappear in the weeks to come and I may pick up the reins from where I left off.
What did I learn the most? It will not always work to go flying in with the backlinks to a new, fresh domain. I still believe it can work however, and I will try it again, but perhaps not so full tilt the next time. Fact is, if it is proven to work, it will save us a whole lot of time, and time in this game equates to money. Therefore I can’t allow myself to give up simply due to one poor set of results. Its well worth perservering and trying out different combinations of backlinking methods to see which – if any – do actually work and do actually return the best results over the short, mid and longer term.
I’ll be back!!
Cheers Ralphy!
Jo
That’s the spirit, Joseph!
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Cristina, my Austrian friend said to me tonight when we went out for some food (and of course, I had my quota of beer
) – “Joseph (or Yosef, as he calls me…), I can understand de folk giving up on da bricks and mortar business due to dee huge debts, due to de massive stresses, due to failure after failure…. but I really don’t understand why anyone should give up with dee online business”.
Fact is, most of the stuff he says to me is utter nonsense – in part because he’s got a funny accent (
) but in this case, he’s quite right! There are so many positive attributes to working online that to give up on your dream of success should be next to unthinkable.
Mind you, as you yourself have alluded to on your blog some time ago – its much easier to maintain momentum when you do have a good number of successes “under dee belt”. But come what may, being successful in internet marketing is a dream come true for very many people. To be successful online as well as off, we have to pick up zee pieces time and time again when things don’t go well, and even if we cannot see the light at the end of zee tunnel yet – we have to imagine its there in order for us to fight on for yet another day.
I couldn’t say it better.
The “accent” in your comment reminds me to Allo, allo! the tv series. LOL
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Superman lives! Thays the spirit Jo. If anyone ever thinks this IM thing is easy (make $32,637 in one day) they are nuts. Its all about trial and error. As Andy Grove (founder of Intel btw) said if youre gonna fail, fail fast then move on.
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Jo, you have two post 6′s…. ?
Anyway, I’m sorry to hear that you got de-indexed. On a happier note, about the time I started commenting here, I started a new site. This was probably about 3 weeks ago. Well, the last few days it has jumped up in the rankings and is making a bit of adsense cashflow. Not a ton, but there’s a lot of potential.
Pretty much all I did was BMR and a few of the gigs that you used on this project. (Diggs etc.)
So, thanks for your help!
Also, I’m wondering what you think of having multiple sites targeting similar keywords. This site that I’m talking about is an off-shoot of a different site I have that targets similar keywords. It’s just more focused than the original site. Do you think this could be dangerous at all?
Interesting SEO tips Joseph, thanks.
I know we’ve talked about decreasing efficiency for BMR after so many posts. The sites I’m using it for are both around 60-70 posts each right now. I think I might wait until they are over 15-200 posts each before I start backlinking those with backlink genie? Any thoughts?
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Ah yeah – the French tv series that was played by zee English actorz und actrezzes
Quite right Ralphy, this IM game is not an easy ride what-so-ever, and even though I do make $32,637.89 per day, I’m still struggling to be happy about it
That’s a good un – fail fast and move on!
JP – oh b.lls – so I do, LOL! Why did no one mention that until you did I wonder?? Actually, I did it on purpose to see if folks were paying attention. You can move to the front row of the class JP, well done!
You are quite right here too - I got de-indexed, or so it feels. But the project site never did. Its actually still maintaining a second page ranking for one of the original kwd phrases, so even the ranking penalty has not been overly harsh.
Lovely to hear that your new site is already making some income JP – that bodes very well for the future, as long as Goog continues to play ball with you on that.
Targeting similar kwds with multiple sites.The only time I would consider that JP is if the skeywords had been already proven to work very well in terms of income. And even then, I would only do it if I could afford to outsource because its too much of a grind otherwise – writing pretty much the same stuff over and over, not only for site content but also for backlinking purposes. May seem easy at the start when you’re “in the flow” but sooner or later, it surely turns into a real grind, and chances are that then leads to some level of collapse in the original concept. If you have a couple of different writers you can outsource to, then by all means. Either that, or build up a large site to tackle tons of related kwds, and get double top ten rankings for a lot of those kwds from the same site.
All the best JP!
Jo
You are welcome David!
Jo
Hi Brendan, dunno on this one any more. I remember I used BMR on one site and reached about the 280 post mark, after which it became almost enitrely ineffective. However, more recently, there’s been a site that I used BMR on, then I took the site out the system for a few months, then popped it back in. It surely must have well in excess of 300 posts – more like 400 now, and BMR is still working well on it. Yes, I’ve mixed up the backlinks quite a bit on it – which is of course imperative. There’s no way I’d use BMR to shoot a straight 400 links to a single domain and rely on that alone.
I think you have to get a feel for it yourself. Sometimes it may become less effective after around 250 – 300 posts, at which time you gotta get rid of it or its sucking money from your wallet. Other times it may well be effective for rather a lot longer, but again – make sure you vary up the backlinking styles by utilizing different tools and different typs of links.
Hope all goes well Brendan!
Jo
Hey Joseph,
Sorry to hear about the beating you took on this niche site. We’re definitely not immune either…we took a big hit and wrote about it on our September Income Report. Not fun.
Unlike you, we decided to dump some spend into trying to recover some of our top earners. A couple of months later, the results were mixed. A few recovered, actually, but not some of our very top earners…the ones that would have made the greatest difference. We don’t know if it was the work we did or them naturally popping back up in the SERP…didn’t split test it or check the results that closely, unfortunately.
You may find this site popping back up over time. I think your strategy of backing off is completely reasonable. Spencer from NichePursuits deals with this to some degree, too. His strategy is to create a few thinner sites, wait for the cream to rise, and then promote the “winners” from there. It seems to be working pretty well for him.
You’re right about having an audience and getting a higher price on our listings. We’re not very aggressive in pushing our sites to our audience, but definitely do put them out there and it helps. Even before we had an audience, though, we found a strategy that allows us to get (what we think is) top dollar for our auctions and have posted about it.
Great post, man…
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Jo and all – I wanted to get your opinion on http://www.backlinkbooster.com – Josh Spaulding recommended it and I’m trying it out, but I’m not sure if it’s worth my time.
Has anyone heard of this or used it?
Hey Jp! I was going to mention that yesterday when i read your comment asking about an indexer. I hear backlink booster is suppose to be a great tool and read a recent case study that showed it out performed the other indexing tools on the martket. Unlike just pinging your links, it is suppose to juice them up by building links to them as well. So you get a better chance of your links indexing and a boost in the serps. This tool would probably be a great audition to Joseph 40 day chalenge. Im def. Going to check it out!
Hey Justin, I tell you what I am thinking about here – getting some hi PR links to the site, particularly the home page and seeing what that fat cat Goog think about things then
If I can raise the PageRank of the home page on this project site up to say – PR4 or PR5, will Goog let me off the hook?? You gotta start wondering about it, albeit its still doubtful that would work – worthy of a shot though. The project site is currently a PR0 across the board, but if the PR could be raised significantly… Anyhow, I’m in no rush – I’ll let it sit for a bit and see how things pan out.
Yes, I surely hear you with regards to Spencer’s strategy – and this is what I often do too – get some early rankings and see where the money is at, then focus on those, whilst selling off the (somewhat) losers.
Interesting to learn you have a strategy which gets top dollar for your sites at auction. By all means leave the link to that post on here and share it with my readers. I know so far there’s not been so many comments on this particular post, but when I check the stats, its been one of the most read posts on my blog so worth leaving a link to the post you mention on your own blog.
Thanks for the feedback Justin!
Jo
Hey JP and Casey – I know for a fact that Steve Wyman uses this particular tool cos he mentioned it to me in an email a few weeks back. I’ll email him now and get him to comment about it so we get first hand knowledge on what’s what with it…
Jo, would ya look at this? I think youll find this very interesting.
https://flippa.com/2669951-10-000-per-month-autoblog-1-million-visitor-no-work-needed-great-opportunity
Good grief Casey – $168k BIN asking price!! Let me have a more in-depth look at this and I’ll get back to you. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Joseph, I’m not happy for you on this one…… bummer! Like you said, it was an experiment/challenge. You tried something that most would avoid.
I’ve stopped buying junk IM products some time ago, but still keep up on what’s hot in the biz. I’ve noticed recently from watching all of the WSO offers, the business seems to be attempting to cut lose Google and is squirming away from SEO methods. Not that I believe any of these snake oil products work, but look beyond that part of it for a moment. Look at the reason “why” they are developing such products/software programs/plugins, etc.
This reminds me of when I used to work for a leading advertising agency in Pittsburgh back in the early 90′s. They were the 3rd largest agency on the East coast at that time. I noticed they began making really poor decisions and didn’t care if they ticked off their clients. Like the, “I’m bigger than you are and I’ll do what I want”, attitude. Today, they’re not even on the list and went from over 300 employees in the 90′s to just 8 today. I think of this when I see what Google is doing today.
I am more and more frustrated when using the Google search because I seem to be getting more and more junk sites than I used to. I mean, as long as it matches my search term, they offer it to me…. good site or not.
I’ll even give you a good example. Recently I searched for our local Sheriff’s dept. I never did get to the site. How specific can you be when typing in your county, state, ect. I was very specific.
Funny thing is, I visited that exact site two months ago and typing in that exact term brought me straight to the proper site. So it USED to work. Today, it offers a spam page for the first three sites on page one. Same site, three different related keywords. Yea, A FREAKIN’ SPAM SITE! This site offers NO valuable information at all and is full of links that take you to the same sales page offering a service.
This is what Google seems to be coming to and people in the IM biz are getting sick of it. Eventually, they will find a way around Google. Just like the agency that was playing with the big boys, now they’re scraping for scraps on the street corner. I do believe Google is still at the top, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that sites like yours are dumped while spam sites take the lead. What’s up with that?! I ended up going to Yahoo and found the Sheriff’s site right away. Odd huh?
Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but I wanted to share what I’ve been experiencing concerning Goog and how I believe they’d better be more cautious of their biz decisions or they may be slapped by competition in the near future.
Rick
Hey Joseph,
If your site is thicker than our sites, for example, adding a few high PR links over a bit of time with varied anchors would probably be effective. Building up the PR on your site would, I think, have to be noticed and if all of your on-site seo is taken care of…would probably work.
There are two posts that I think would directly help those looking to sell sites on Flippa, specifically. The first is regarding getting eyeballs to your auction:
http://adsenseflippers.com/flipping-websites/5-tactics-to-getting-more-views-on-flippa
The second post has our best selling tips and is, we think, the reason our sites do quite well on Flippa. We’ve given these tips and coached a friend through the process of selling his site and had similar results:
http://adsenseflippers.com/flipping-websites/site-flipping-secrets-selling-websites-at-a-premium-on-flippa
Hope that helps!
Maybe if we all chip in $20 we can buy that $168,000 site lol! Ridiculous…
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Hey Joseph,
Very sorry this didn’t work out… although I’m hopeful that something will come back, in time. Regarding AMR, I thought the conventional view was that if an article blast could get someone kicked out of Goog, then competitors would just do that to each other on purpose. Am I missing something? Can an article blast really get you dropped completely if Goog thinks the content on the site is of high quality?
Hope you’re in for a pleasant surprise on this project in the near future, and thanks as always for sharing.
Best,
Alan
@jo – Hi Mr bald. (hint Archibald and stuck keys)
Yes, I’ve used that one and quite a few other that do some of what backlinkGenie does on their $67 deal.
I find it very hard to measure the successfulness of these types of tools. Typically you create links and then also submit those new links to something like Nuclear Link crawler to get these new links indexed! So it gets expensive.
As a straight answer I’d say it’s a good tool, BUT must only be used on anchor layers and never back to the root domain. I’ve tested that and lost a domain or two and had a couple get stuck. Panda really doesn’t like those links
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@Ralph
Where shall we send the $20? I dont want to send it to OJ as he’ll drink it
Neat site they are pushing the valuation but they aare going to be around 4-5 times anual earnings. Attractive to some out there.
Still not for me
$168 maybe..
regards
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Hi,
I’ve ben disconnected from blogs and email for a few days as I had a rather large order come in on Sunday and have had to schedule all the work
And do some documentation for building sites for them as well 
@Cristina – you’ve watched way to much English comedy
Alo Alo was another classic, I like the British airman 
Oh and Michelle of course.
@Justin – how it going good to see you here. What percentage did you recover? I have a theory that some sites get on a “watch list” that the Algo throws up and then they get human audited as soon a they pop up the serps and if it’s still unnaturally they get slapped or “stuck” below position 10. I believe we can recover these sites. It requires a different mindset and something I’m working on. Blasting them back up inside a month won’t work on average.
@Jo & @Justin
With respect to a comment from Justin and yourself about domains not performing I have a couple of thoughts I’d like to share
My belief is that a domain particularly when its young or PRN/A or PR0 needs to see diverse links, Panda and the Algorithm in general is sensitive now to lack of diversity a syou said Jo -“make sure you vary up the backlinking styles by utilizing different tools and different types of links”
I’m fairly convinced from testing on clients and my domains that what’s happening to many people are all ending up with very similar pattern of links.
All Dofollow, perfectly formed links
Or
Large numbers of PR0 links
Or
rapid link building.
Link wheel structures
Xrummer hits. (every link type has its place but not to the root domains (yep people do this!)
Google reads blogs etc for sure and by following maybe 5-6 blogs you can see what thousands of people are reading and following. The best I know is the one by smartpassiveincome based wholly on your work which after all already all over the Warrior Forum. There must be 1000’s of people using that one strategy alone and based on the few that comment they are using it Neat. (Not your fault Jo it was great work in its day and still excellent today).
I wasn’t going to share this but… My belief is – If you get stuck around 10-15 then look closely at your backlink profile. If it any of the above then your need more diversity and a few real PRpage blog comments may well shift it better still of course would be a few PRpage links embedded in the text of the home page. But they are expensive typically.
HOWEVER be aware it’s not just Google bot we need to worry about indeed he’s fairly friendly, it’s the human auditors, and they are the pain. You hit top ten and BAM the algo alert is still there and boom the human auditor knocks you out of the park. So the content has to be great and you must comply if you then want to stay in top ten.
These ideas only apply for terms which have decent traffic etc there are tons of tiny search terms you’ll rank for Google can’t afford to have human auditors look at. They can’t be everywhere yet.
One of the problems with creating diverse link patterns is the number of tools required or outsources and it’s also pretty darn boring. Plus you need to do it for 1 to 3 months Minimum. Going forward I think it’s going to be normal to link build slowly over three months to keep off the radar. Hence the services I’m developing.
Sorry if that’s a bit long but I’m trying to explain myself better and writ less “pathetic” anglish
I hope other will disagree or provide other views there is so much to keep up with and learn blogs like this really help. Along with public tests.
Regards
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It’s been enlightening following this experiment.
I submitted one of my sites to loads of directories via directory maximizer (all their PR3+ ones). A week later I got an email saying they had sent the submissions, same day I checked the rankings in market samurai and the site was 13th. The very next day it had dropped to something like 978th. Oops.
In the mean time, I’ve done two of the Fiverr gigs you suggested as part of my own experiment. A week later the site had bounced back up to 10th place – today it’s at 9th! WTF?!
I hope yours does the same, so that this experiment can continue in some form.
Using Fiverr gigs has been a revelation – hours, if not days of backlinking tedium saved. So thanks for that tip if nothing else!
All the best
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2129359/How-Search-Engines-Use-Machine-Learning-for-Pattern-Detection
Worth a read ! its pretty insightfull.
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@steve: Oh no! Another link to someone elses blog! Jo (oj?) will be upset if we all go read it! As for your input, valuable to us newer folks so a big thanks!
@Ralph $20? I’m in lol pretty exorbiant price for a site. Wish I could sell one of mine for a 10th of that
I do all of my link building by myself. No fiverr gigs, no SEnuke, scrapebox or xrumer blasts. Just a small mix of directories, article directories, social bookmarks, a few blog comments and then some BMR and Blog-blueprint contextual links. But I still get blasted by google
And how come you all watch Allo, allo and Monty Python and Faulty towers but no Red Dwarf or Are You Being Served???
Hey Rick, talking about the header graphics just for a momento – a day after you mentioned what you mentioned to me, I had a look at both sites in question and they are both still in place. So no need for any concerns there – thought I’d let ya know
Well, the last (no – time before last) WSO that I purchased was about making money from Facebook. I did not actually purchase it – I was given it by a friend, but let’s keep that a bit hush hush, shall we
The info was actually very solid, but fact is, although I worked with the product for around 4 days, it still did not work out quite the way the product owner was claiming. Why not? Simply because the product owner had focused on a certain aspect of make money from Facebook and not covered nearly enough of the other aspects. Further, I could not get the technical parts right, but hey – that was maybe just me. In the past when I was a glossy info product buying machine, this was the fault time and again. A system was written about but some of the key aspects to make the system workable were missing. Hence for someone new to IM, which was the target audience of the eBook, they’d still be sitting scratching their heads at the end.
You know, when I am reading through your rant about Google and the local sheriff’s site (the word “sheriff” always makes me think of Robin Hood, or cowboys and Injuns movies, LOL!), I’m thinking that this is precisely what Goog want to get away from. When they recently stated something along the lines of “we don’t want to see affiliate sites – we want to see the Amazon’s, the eBay’s etc….”, I’m thinking what they are actually meaning is that they don’t want to see spammy affiliate sites just like the one you mention here. Well okay, they ain’t got their algo just right yet, have they. But I’m thinking that all us affiliates who are worried about the future should perhaps rest a bit easier. If we keep doing what we are doing now – good quality info, not so many ads stuffed on the home page – particularly above the fold, nice easy navigation, nice clean sites time and again – we’ll probably do very well, providing we get the SEO just right of course.
I do agree though Rick – Goog are apparently getting a tad too big for their boots, and we all know what happens to any very large company (in the US) that get’s too big for their breaches – they get “DUMPED” from the rankings by your government. Furthermore, as you also mention – the more rubbishy rubbish they return in a common search to the average Joe, the more the average Joseph will tend to want to use the other search engines. Thus Goog will be gettin dumped from the rankings in a two-progned attack, which in some ways is a nice thought, but in some ways not cos there goes my current bread and butter and I’m sure its the same for many of us who read this blog!
Thanks a lot for your insights Rick!
Jo
Justin, yeah – “thick” sites with a number of high PageRank links back (probably from related niche sites would be better) may well work out in terms of regaining some of the previous rankings. I’ll certainly consider doing this in future.
Many thanks for those links – no doubt they’ll prove very useful to my readers and also to me!
Regards
Joseph
You got a point there Ralphy! If we were all to work together and build up a huge powerful site and monetize it successfully, we could all reap the rewards together from our combined efforts instead of always working apart and for ourselves…
Jo
Hi Alan, thanks for your comment and a good point you are making here! I fairly recently was privy to something akin to this. My acquaintances’ site was doing well in the rankings and he found out that the site was getting a whole raft of backlinks that he himself had not attained. Turns out that the backlinks were thoroughly spammy, so it appeared that someone was trying to “link bomb” his site in order to get it de-ranked in Google. He actually found out who it was.
Nevertheless, his site was not de-ranked. Why not? Well, my thought is this – the sudden mass of spammy links his site was getting did not fit the mould of all the other types of links he’d gained up to that time. Thus Goog could see first hand that this backlinking behaviour was well out of keeping from the norm. They (Goog) turned a blind eye to it.
From this episode, what I took was this – if you are using similar linking patterns to the norm and you go over-board with them and get over-zealous with them, chances are very good that Goog will sniff you out and you see your site or webpage/s dumped in the rankings. If you suddenly appear to be getting tons of backlinks that are totally different to the norm (i.e. or e.g. thoroughly spammy, and not merely low PR “spammy”), then Goog don’t seem to trust the source, and thus tend to over-look this sort of thing.
That’s my own theory on it. Whether its in fact true or not, I’ll have to check with my Google insider
Thanks Alan!
Joseph
@ SteveWhyman (sorry, my pinky finger “tripped” over the “h” key
). Okay, so seems from your experience it is (backlinksbooster) not really worth the investment – most certainly not if using on a root domain. Basically, it sends out lots of low quality links (aka Backlinks Genie), which are not fit for a root domain unless its thoroughly mature with a ton of backlinks in place already. Good call Steeve, thanks!
Oj Bald
@ Stephe, don’t send it to Ralphy cos he’ll dump it on paid media (and cheap supermarket wine). I say send it to OJ because the more drink he has, the more creative he gets
@ Steeve lots of fine points you make in your replies to various comments from various other folks who have commented previously. I’ll pick up on the SmartPassiveIncome one if I may… Good point you make here too – it may be that because the methods have been copied word for word over and over and over that Goog are now “in on the game”, thus its almost created something of a “footprint”. Thus, by all means do still BUY THE EBOOK (thank you!
) but don’t follow the linking patterns word for word – get creative…
And a nice shout out for your own services, thanks for adding that! Do keep us posted on how that’s coming along.
I’m afraid I cannot disagree with what you’ve written here Stephe, and your spelling in this particular lengthy comment is commendable
@OJ bald – that is cheap BOXED supermarket wine…nothing bettrr for the headache the next day…good Napa stuff is just too pricey! I have to save money to pay my FB cloaker bills somehow….
@stevewyman – i say we set up a “OJ bald trust fund” in escrow offshore acct and each put in our $20 that way OJ Wont drink it lol
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Thanks for your feedback Mungo! Very interesting to learn of your own findings where you got dumped for using lots of directory maximizer PR3 backlinks, only to then rise up very nicely when you started to vary up the backlinks using other services. Personally, I’m now wary of paying for backlinks – if that makes sense – most backlinks are paid for in some way these days. Obviously thus far for you, the paid backlinks have worked well, regardless the fact you were temporarily dumped in the Goog rankings. Do keep us posted as to how things are faring in times to come Mungo, thank you!
Joseph
Thanks for the searchenginewatch link, Steve – that will cost you 20 bucks since all my blog readers will rush over there and not stay on my blog. Either that or you can buy me a beer when you head on over to SE Asia some time next year. Which is it to be??
@ Jim, correct! Anyone who leaves a link in the comment section on my blog from now on will have to donate to the Joseph (OJ) beer charity from now onwards, unless I’ve explicitly asked for the link to be left in the first place.
So seems that even though you are very clean handed with your backlinks and carve them all from your own personal hand, you’ve still suffered the Google wrath. My oh my – what is the world coming to!
I used to watch Are you Being Served – Ms Brahms was my favourite (Wendy Craig) for fairly obvious reasons I guess
@ Ralphy the eternal traveler (aka gypsy) – I’m ALL for cheap boxed supermarket wine, sir! Unfortunately, the boxed wine here in Kuching either costs almost as much as that hi end website costs, or its watered down filth – much more like ribena or lemonade. But in honesty, these days its the monthly cigar bill that takes precedence over the monthly alcohol bill. I indulged in a Domincan Republic hand-rolled the other day and those things are far from cheap I can tell ya! Mind you, the gent who owns the bar where I indulged in the partaking of the hi end cigar gave me a “buy one get one free” deal, so I was honored fo shure!
Hi JOalbd
I assumed your VA caught those and added a rel=”nofollow” and the html code i cant remember to open in a new tab !!!
Well was not trying to call out to my thing just saying why.!!
Ms Bra never didit for me but hey ho… Red dawrf was excellent but not really classic British comedy.
Ofcourse The Office (not the god damn awful American version) was another classic.
I think in amongst these humours moments there are some good nuggets appearing
BTW there’s a contradiction in this thread in some of the comments. If you don’t want spammy sites showing up in search, then Google has to find algorithms to block them! So Google has to play god and penalise sites. Sometime the good guys get caught in the cross fire. I believe some idiot called it friendly fire … cough… on very friendly when you on the receiving end!!
I don’t believe in bashing Google, but working with them and getting on with the task at hand. Why would you want them toppled?
Google is simply trying to serve the customers, Searchers and Advertisers. As IMers should we not provide relevant and useful information to the searchers and direct them to the advertisers?
Sure we look to “game” the system but it’s hardly reasonable to call for the head of the Gamekeeper when you get caught.. a pain in the arse but only fair?
BTW can we have a buton that says “Yes im a spmmer”
LOL
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LOL Yes that “I’m a spammer” button would be handy for me too haha
I agree with Steve on the useful information and bashing of Googol. I in particular need the old goog and have them to thank for all my IM money (well and you people but you know what Im getting at)! Haven’t got a list or other means of traffic yet.
While I don’t think my coffee site is journalistic brilliance by any stretch, I don’t consider it boring rubbish either! (maybe just biased LMAO)
Probably a stupid question to ask in a public area, but what is an acceptable CTR as far as UV is considered? Or in pageviews if you prefer…I am still afraid of the adsense ban-hammer. Lots of folks on the WF comment on theirs, but it seems low and now I’m worried :p
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@SteveWhyman, I never got into Red Dwarfism, and The Office never really got me going either, oddly enough. Maybe I did not watch enough of it. As a kid, I really loved Norman Wisdom, the Carry On films, and the Munsters.
Why do we as IM folks Goog bash? Cos Goog bash us, so we tend to retaliate. Fact is, as you rightly say, we need Goog but they don’t necessarily need us. Although I’m sure that the likes of Amazon and eBay would always argue very vocally that they DO need affiliates (or whatever Amazon terms it – Associates to the cause). Mind you, although Goog do derank many an affiliate – related site, there are still millions of them ranking very high in search. You have to wonder then – Goog do “need” us? If they did not, we’d probably all be felled in one almighty swish of the algo wand – puffffff!!
And the term “gaming the system”. I’ve often used that term too cos that’s what we as SEO folks are apparently doing. But Goog know all about that, so it seems to me that “gaming the system” is actually a part of the system, so the word “gaming” is no longer necessary.
Just little personal insights to bring into the dilemma – non beer-induced, I may add
@Jim – so it was your coffee site that bit the dust? What a pity! I’m sure you are being bashful Jim – I would be willing to bet it was indeed a masterful creation!
Pardon my ignorance Jim, but I thought UV stands for ultra violet
@OjBald
Id say Google DONT need us but we do add a lot to there bottom line so they tolerate us within their rles. fair play i say.
Amazon always did use this model so its a base part off how they gain traffic. Its also very cost effective marketing to say the least.
eBay Ive been a powerseller but never done the affiliate thing so dont know much about that.
P.s. you list of other TV shows is suggesting your old than I though
lol Z cars anybody or beter still Dixon of dock green (id include a link but Joe’s probably had enough for one thread. Google it 
)
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@SteveWheyman,
a number of those golden oldies I used to watch cos my folks used to watch ‘em. Howz about The Two Ronnies – that one used to crack me up big time!
Z Cars and Dixon of Dock Green I can’t remember too much about for some reason. Dr Who with John Pertwee was also one of my all-time favs!
Joseph, I just sent you an email about the header we talked about. I’m not seeing it for some reason. I tried three different browsers and keep seeing the old one. Either way, my offer still stands if you need anything.
You pointed out some very good points about everything actually. Good one about the old west with the sheriff… LOL, and I’m part Indian too…. LAUGHING ….. oops, I mean…. Native American. Yea, WHATEVER! I’m not into the politically correct scene. That fad faded away in the mid 90′s. Just be respectable is what I say. Anyway, enough of that joking…
You touched on something I wondered about for awhile now. You mentioned our corrupt uncle. You know, the U.S. Government. They sure will eventually mess with Google. They messed with Microsoft, remember?! That kind of B.S. doesn’t sit well with me either because any time our governments gets involved to, “help out”, we the people get more ripped off. So hopefully Google will see the light and realize that they are benefiting and actually making money form all of those affiliate sites out there and leave them be. The ones with good, relevant content that is. I guess as long as they are doing well, so are we. Just some things to ponder.
Thanks
Hi Rick, I’ll get to the bottom of the header graphic situation sooner or later, rest assured! Holmes is on the case, sir! And thank you again for your kind offer!
So yer a Injun er ye? How interesting! Is it technically correct to say “Red Indian”, Rick? Many folks get confused with North American Indian and Indian Indian, if you get my meaning
Yeah, so many conglomerates (or whatever the technical term is these days) in the great US of A are “spanked” by your governemnt for unfair play and monopolistic behaviors.
Let’s face the facts, if Goog are returning superior search results to the end user, it means that Google will remain dominant in the search engine wars, which in turn means they will continue to reap the largest monetary rewards (unless your gov step in and castrate them – OUCH!!). Now, for me (maybe I’m biased…), when I am searching for something, very often Wiki does the job cos I want factual info about stuff. But, if I’m looking to make a purchase, I’m very happy to arrive on a pleasant looking website that offers some good info about the product I’m searching for, then to simply click a single link in order to arrive at a site like Amazon, whereby I gain ever more choice and may spend more time browsing there. I do NOT see the affiliate site as a negative, rather – often quite the opposite, since the info on the affiliate site may be more extensive than that offered by Amazon, and the user experience is friendly and enjoyable.
Thus, would it be a good thing that I’m always offered up Amazon or eBay rather than an affiliate site to make a purchase? I don’t believe so no. I like the Amazon and eBay buying experience, but I’d be just as happy to spend time on an affiliate site first off, then click through to make my purchase on Amazon or eBay. Just my take on things, and as mentioned – perhaps I’m biased in favour of the affiiate site.
Jo you have talked about how you are a “refresher type guy” which I must admit I do my fare share of. Occasionally I check the ranking of my site that got dumped on scroogle. I tend to not use it these days if I am in the top 20 or so as I find google to be a more accurate representation of … google . On that site I need scroogle so I can search with 100 at a time on a page. Sometimes when I search it has started coming up as 21 or 18 …. I get excited and then of course when I do more research it is still not showing up and google. If I refresh a couple of times on scroogle it will drop out of rankings again.
I was curious if anyone knows why this is? Something to do with multiple servers I am guessing?
Thanks
Good question Blake…always wondered that one me self. I tell ya though the G rankings are bouncin all over these dayzzzz
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Yes Blake, I’m one of the ultimage refresh guys fo shure! That is addictive, and fun – providing you are rising up on a regular basis. And I too use Scroog to assess those rankings that are shy of top 20 or so, and Goog US for those that are in top 20 or so. If you find that on the second refresh of Scroog you’ve dropped down a bit, then do a third and fourth refresh and you possibly rise up higher than previously. This is where I stop doing the refresh cos I can rest easy thereafter
Why does Scroog seem to dance around so much? No idea and I don’t really bother about it. Oftentimes if I see my page at a new hi compared to previously in Scroog, although it does not stick there immediately, it does tend to get there over a period of a couple of days and does tend to stick there too. On the the other hand, it can work the other way around – you can check in a couple of days and that previous hi is no longer the case cos its dropped to a previous Scroogle low, if that makes sense…
Maybe dat’s a question for Scroogle folks Ralphy. Not sure if they have the resources to actually email you back, but may be worthy of a try if you are of the notion.
Joseph, you continue to crack me up with the way you word things. I’d be considered the Injun type of indian… LOL. That cracks me up! I do know what you mean about indian indian… those from India. No, I’m a red blooded indian from America. My great, great grandfather, on my mother’s side, was a full-blooded Shawnee from Kentucky. So that makes me part… or so.
Well said about affiliate sites. You hit my thoughts and feelings right on the nose. I NEVER go straight to Amazon when buying something that I know they have. They don’t have enough information about things for me to make a decision. An affiliate site, however, offers plenty of information to help me make up my mind and I usually prefer buying through a link form there. I sometimes wonder if Google has statistics on how many people prefer to buy online and they decided what they do based on that info. I’m sure they do, but I’m not in the same boat with their decisions.
Oh, by the way, do you know how tough it is to get high speed internet connected to a teepee? Hahahahahahahahah!!!! Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Thanks
Hi guys,
I’m not commenting but I read you all via email. I’m not in a teepee but my Internet connection is very slow and for some reasons I can’t spend a lot of time online these days.
P.S. Where do I send my 20 bucks?
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Hey Rick Teeppee, I mean Tenney… so’s I takes it dat you knowz all about your great great grand pappy the Shawnee Red Injun? Fascinating indeed sir! I’d love to learn more about this.
I personally do go straight to Amazon quite often but I’d be perfectly happy to utilize the services of an affiliate website all the same. If I was not sure what I wanted and conducted a Goog search, found an affiliate site with the sort of info I needed – that’s ideal for me.
You may have a slow internet connection Cristina, but my 4 month old laptop just conked out – ouch! Lets hope its retrievable or there goes some valuable work that – of course – I never got around to backing up…
JO…..OMG you dont use dropbox! its a life saver and super cool to have all docs in one place…
Sent you an invite ite free dude I would not leave home without it
Hope you get the files back..
Steve
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Where’s the at button on this thing…
@ Steve – yes I do use dropbox and in fact the vast majority of my stuff is on there fortunately enough. Just a few of my photos and odds and endz are on the hard drive. No real big deal. However, at least with my old laptop which I’m using now – I got the £ sign back again, which is actually very convenient. Malaysian computers don’t have a ‘£’ sign
Oddly enough, I was trying to get on this rather important skype call when the laptop conked out. Seems fate struck…
LOL no Jo it wasn’t my coffee site that got dumped. Just every other site that I create does (ie. 50%!). Which is just strange. It’s like google has a random algo that allows some sites to pass and others to not.
Which is interesting considering (as Justin mentioned) some Adsense guys create a few ‘sites’ based on same keywords and then after a round of articles and backlinks decide which one is worth going after.
Domains = $10 x 3 = $30
Articles 2 per domain(6) x 10 bucks = 60
Backlinking via BB or UAW etc = $70 (and this is relative to amount of domains)
That is 160 bucks for 3 sites. If one of them excels you’d make your money back on adsense in 2-3 months and the rest is profit. Let the loser sites die.
About UV…well Jo, I live in Canada and due to the fact the sun takes absurd amounts of vacation time here, UV stands for unique visitors or perhaps some form of homemade denatured alcohol. Either way, certain spectrums of radiation do not enter our vocabulary, sir :p
On a side not, I diversified my income and preliminary results suggest I should collect about 100 a month (lol) through CPA offers. I am thouroughly addicted to refreshing now though and only you and Blake to blame
@Steve: as always, some good info in your posts here
I read Spencers post and it was quite the eye-opener so I read your post (sorry Jo) and you nailed it.
Anyway off to find this dropbox stuff… sounds like I should be using it!!!
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Actually Jim, that’s a pertty decent and valid point Justin has made there – create three sites on the same kwds and see what “sticks” the best in the rankings.
So, with regards to UV – you are lacking on both fronts these days – Canada hardly sees any sun and your website hardly sees any visitors. Shucks Jim, times are hard!
Ah, but there is light at the tunnel end – you’ve developed into a refresh guy – great to hear! And the refreshing is pertaining to cpa income – that’s good – let’s hope the cpa offer you’ve got continues to play ball and does not decide to reduce your payouts. Should that happen, the refresh game surely becomes less appealing.
Steve is right about Dropbox – its a superb bit of kit that sits on the desktop and you simply drop your files in there if you wanna back stuff up. Fortunately I’ve managed to get my newer laptop up and running again – it turned out to be a battery glitch and nothing more than that. Nevertheless, the peace of mind having my important stuff in Dropbox is not to be underestimated! Plus its free, unless you have a ton of stuff then there are paid-for options available.
“Create three sites on the same kwds and see what “sticks” the best in the rankings”… that sounds very interesting.
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Jo – It’d be great to see a post that compares your strategy here with what you did in the 40 Day Challenge.
Also, if I were to get a lot of backlinks to a buffer site, do you think UAW or AMR would be a better choice?
Agreed Cristina, does sound interesting cos it can work out to be a profitable strategy, just as the guys have said here.
Hi JP, there’s not too many comparisons to be made really – the 40 Day stuff was more about being safe and very steady, where the more recent project was about being anything but safe albeit there was a fairly steady methodolgy going on overall.
AMR is the better choice for kicking up a buffer site because its very powerful and its much cheaper to use than is UAW to achieve the same overall backlinking intensity.
Regards
Joseph
@jim – which article? the one at vbl? thanks for the compliment either way
A word of caution on Spencer haws “build three and keep the winner” its expensive to get three sites built and takes a lot of time. Plus he has gold dust on his finger tips.
The strategy is good but can you afford to throw say $150 dollars at the project to have just one winner? You can if you have confidence in the whole process otherwise your likely to end up with 3 losers.
I bet there are other out there that have tried bulk site building only to feel the pain of building, articles, backlinking to find that they loose track of the project.
I must have 40 domains at least “underdevelopment” that i must get back to one day !
Ofocurse outsourcing (which Spencer uses) does make it much easier to manage.
regards
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Yeah Steve, good point – if you know the niche is a good money spinner, by all means build up 3 sites on speed and see which one “lands” on its feet.
Hi Joseph!
It is sad to see that I think this may cause by BMR since this network leave so many footprint for the Google. I never used it, but I use to see many blog in thier network and it is too risk to use them.
But have you every try ALN (Authority Link Network) Joseph? If you never, you must give it a try, it quite cheap but you need to have PR domain to use and the whole network hosted on user’s hosting and look much more natural and bigger than BMR.
I really have pretty good result from it and it certainly work. Anyways, I think some of your site may be in the Google dance or sth.
Also, On fiverr, I only hire Senuxe X service. For those who think Senuke X not works, plz reconsider, it works and diversified our backlink source. Senuke x+ALN and some HQ backlink are the best. One of my niches site rank #1 within 2 months by doing this and another one is ranking #3. I was very lucky when my local friend recommend ALN to me.
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Hi Sereyboth, thanks for your input! I use BMR on most of my sites and there are rarely any negative connotations from it so I don’t believe that is the reason for the Goog displeasure.
Interesting to read about the ALN system Sereyboth. I don’t believe I’ve heard of that before and I’ve certainly never used it. I’ll take a look into it however.
SEnuke X – no doubt it works if in the right hands. Or indeed, if outsourced to Fiverr providing you understand what you are doing there. Good for you – you surely do have some very good results going on there!
Regards
Joseph
Joseph, Thank you for your reply.
For SenukeX, if you don’t use it everyday, it will be so expensive to afford. However, I just need to order 2 or 3 gigs with Senuke for each website, and it cost much cheaper than monthly subscription.
This man http://fiverr.com/coralbue/create-over-500-links-with-a-senuke-x-campaign knows SenukeX that we can reply on.
Yeah! Waiting to see the next post Joseph!
Regard
Sereyboth
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Hey Jo,
Just thought I’d stop in, so you’d know I haven’t abandoned you! =)
Blake really cracked me up.. haha.. whygoogleisabitch.com hah. Mighty brave I’d say too! I love how transparent you are with all the ups and downs, really makes everything you do feel right and sincere.
Rock on \m/
Hey Sereyboth, so the fiverr gig you mention here – the gent who created it will do more of a drip than a pure and thunderous almighty blast? I’ve outsourced SEnuke before (mainly cos I could never get to grips with the intricacies of setting up the tool in the first place) and its normally the massive all-in-one blast that is on the menu and not a more gentle dripfeed of backlinks over time. And by the way, I’ve signed up for the ALN service. Still to have a closer look but at least I’ve taken the first step – thanks for the mention of that tool Sereyboth!
Jo
Hi Cinz, where you been – too busy munching on your daily take of shark ‘n bake to be spending much time online I’m guessing
Re Blake – he best watch what he says – our jv site is flying hi in the rankings right now – we don’t want to be downing the Goog too often and too aggressively in the circumstances
Well, whilst one project goes wrong, the other one – the site that I purchased – is passing expectations – both in terms of income, and in terms of the rankings its managed to achieve even though I’ve hardly done any backlinking to it. The only thing I did do was to add in more tags, and change over to my affiliate links. Drop one page of content, and everthing else is pretty much the same. But heck – the rankings – even for some of the bigger terms, have really rocketed, and I’m not entirely sure why that is, nor am I complaining
The way its currently panning out so far this month, if I chose to sell up at the beginning of next month, potentially I reckon I may be able to sell for 4 – 5 times the amount I purchased for (i purchased for $680). This is however speculation and there’s no hard fact. I may well have to run with the site for a few months to get more rankings and more recorded income etc before making the sale.
Take care Cinz!
Jo
Hi Jo
It’s a blast as its delivered in just a few days from order. It’s using a standard template and will make you dance a lot unless you have a ton of links already.
Cinz alluded to the dance already in his post. Pretty darn dangerous these days
Also the gig seems to have disappeared!?
Your sites sound very cool Jo, the one you’re bought sound very interesting. Especially if you’ve raise the value that much with Tags! Wait until you backlink it more
I knew those JV would be interesting and your JV is making money very cool.
Cheers
Steve
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Hey Stave, this is your new service you are referring to, is it?
The one I purchased about 4 weeks ago – the rankings mostly dropped over a period of a week, but then all came back nicely into place. But just the other day, I was doing some more assessment and lo-and-behold, kwds that were ranking way down outside top 50 are suddenly showing up top 15, and I’m like… what the heck!! I had wanted the backlinking in place much sooner than this, but outsourcing has been a constant issue over the past couple of months, so its received almost no love at all since I made the purchase. I’ve just hired yet another BMR writer however, so hopefully this young lady can really help to take up the slack.
The jv’s have been up and down Steve – some are doing very little, for fairly obvious reasons really (not enough backlink love on a consistent basis), whilst some are doing very nicely in the rankings, although the income is not as yet overly fluid so I’ve got to watch the cash flow.
Hi Jo
Yikes NO i was refering to the fiverr gig mentioned earlier. The SEnukeX one you asked about…
Mine dont blast like that
were into spreading the love a bit more 
Turnover is vanity and Cashflow is Sanity – a good motto i used in a previous life as Financial Director way to many times for my colleagues
But not enought for our Bank manager 
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I ll be sure to remember “cash flow is vanity where turnover is sanity”, Steve
Lol phojes
You got me going then.. I thought id writ it wong….
lol @ya
No, I’z da one who did’z dat dude
Also looks like the call to arms on comment posting really had some effect. Every post recently is getting a TON of comments. Thanks again for everything on this site Joe.
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Yeah, things are going “swimmingly” well with regards to the commenting Brendan. I’ll try and get another post up for today – struggling a bit with a virus though which is making me feel like cr.p! I’d take a hangover over a virus any day of the week
Get well soon Joseph.
I know I have something pending, something I told you I would do. I didn’t forget. Just, circumstances are overwhelming right now.
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Thanks Cristina – let’s hope I do cos I’m off to Thailand in four days time.
No worries – take your time with regards to that issue. You’ve got a lot on your plate by the sounds of it.
Jo
I really do.
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At least you have an internet connection, which is to be thankful for I guess.
Yet again a great post and I really am looking forward to see post 8 and hope it will be as great as this one and the previous ones. Thanks for sharing!
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Yes, that’s true.
But in the last 5 days I’ve been at home only 1 and a half. And the time I’m at home I’m exhausted physically and mentally.
Despite all, I’ve managed to write 2 posts for my blog and do some other work for other projects.
Do you want to know why I’ve been able to keep working on (and in) my business in this situation?
Because I LOVE what I do. When I’m working everything else is secondary for a few hours. I have to be thankful for that
I can’t complain overall.
Cristina Ansbjerg recently posted..How to stay productive during tough times
Yes Cristina, I can imagine its something of a relief to have your online business as a distraction to your other daily activities. And at least you’ll be at home for Christmas and the New Year, which hopefully is a good thing also.
Thanks for your feedback Peter but unfortunately it looks unlikely there will be a Post 8. Unless there’s a major turn-around in the rankings that is, which I am constantly on the look-out for, even though I’m investing no other time in or on the site these days.
Joseph
Jo – The site I mentioned before is now a victim of the Google dance…
over 300 visitors/day last week to 11 yesterday! Bummer.
Anyway, I wanted to get back to that question I asked before about AMR vs UAW I know AMR is cheaper, but what if I was just using fiverr gigs for this? (which I am) Is AMR still a better shot for linking to buffer sites?
Hi JP – OUCH!! Man, that hurts – been there, done that!!
Depends how many gigs you want to use a month JP. If you can work happily with AMR, you can actually buy “packets” for it which can increase the submission rates substantially. TomL sells packets on Fiverr (I think his Fiverr username is gpublishing), so if you are inclined to using AMR yourself, it may be wise going that route.
Hey Jo – Thanks for the tip!
One more question… (I’m full of them!) When I do an AMR submission, should I do anything to try and those new links indexed or anything like that?
Thanks!
Hi JP – there’s a facility in AMR that allows you to trace your successful submissions. Then you can ping them in a tool such as masspinger.com or use another tool such as backlinksbooster (which I’ve never actually used). There’s a few tools around that help you to index pages in Goog these days although I simply rely on pinging my backlinks which “probably” works to some extent.
The reason I’m not so much into following up on backlinks to ensure I get as much indexing as possible is that in the past when I have tried to do this, I was spending so much time on it at the expense of adding to my backlinking. It really depends on what fits well with you JP – follow up on previous backlinks to try to get them indexed, or pursue gaining more backlinks, or indeed you can do both together but that can become thoroughly time consuming – as if backlinking is not already very time consuming.
Ironically, most islanders/Trinis don’t eat shark n bake everyday! I have been really busy online with biz and not reading my favorite blogs as much these days (I think we need to have a chat with the universe to organise a few more hours in the day – who else agrees? If we all petition, it just might happen!)
Anywho, I have some GREAT news to share with you… will pop you a msg sometime next week once I’m sure =D
Looking forward to hearing of this great news, Cinz!
I need more hours in the day to sleep more – got this viral thing hanging on in there which is really taking its toll. I wake up and I’m aching, and I tire out well before the day is done. What’s worse, I’m currently in Thailand so its “not good policy” to go back to the hotel room at 7pm each evening to retire for the day
Nice to hear from you again Cinz!
Jo
I’m really looking forward to telling you!! Man.. like they say in Trini.. “yuh need ah bush bath!” – meaning, it sounds like you’re getting sick to often, so you needs to take care of yourself. Try to get some rest k?
Meh.. good policy or not, for a rebel like you, that shouldn’t be a problem!
Rest, Cinz? Well, in a sense this trip to Phuket is a “rest”. If nothing else, it is an “enforced” rest since the internet connection here in Phuket is very poor. Not more than half an hour ago someone was stuck in the hotel lift because the power for the whole area failed, and that’s very much the norm, so add that in with the pathetic internet connection and you have little choice but to “rest”.
So I’z in needz of a bush bath, is I’z? Sounds interesting!
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