Sadly, BMR is no longer available for use.
I’m obviously in my writing mode – two blog posts within two days – must be a record for me
Check out at the bottom of this article for a pretty cool deal for wannabe Build My Rank users!
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(Now, I best be careful here – if I put in more than 3 affiliate links in this post then I will be de-ranked and de-tested by google our god – but aha! - I don’t rank for anything in google search for this website and instead rely purely on word of mouth – I got you there google!).
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I’m intent on beating this tool to death if I can, lol! I’ve already discussed the Build My Rank tool at some length, but since the price changes – I believe that a lot of folks have been put off from using it.
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Thus, because I feel that this particular tool is “the bees knees“ when it comes to helping to rank web pages in Google, I’m going to bang on its drum once again.
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I actually dumped this tool just prior to Christmas. I wanted to use it to boost up a number of web pages for Christmas income, and not much more than that. And because of the massive price hike of 70 bucks a month, I’ve not used it since.
But, they have re assessed prices and if you have up to 5 domains to backlink to, you can still get in at $59 US per month. And that is the package I’ve now taken and will be using for this in-depth trial and feedback sessions.
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I’ll be doing all the post writing myself (yoook!) so will be closely and regularly analyzing for goog rankings. I gotta watch my budget at the moment, so outsourcing fees have to be closely monitored (oh, what a bind!).
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I’ll firstly be focusing in on one site. This site is around 16 months of age, and up until a few weeks ago was bringing in a relatively decent income from only 4 pages of content. Its now got 13 pages (posts) and I will be focusing on ranking about 10 of those.
I wish I could provide the domain name so you too could watch how it performs in Google, but because I rely on AdSense for income, I’m afraid that it would be imprudent to provide those details for fear of my AdSense account being terminated. Goog don’t mess around with that – if they sniff out peculiar behaviour, you’ve had it!
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Okay, let me run through my current rankings and current Google search volumes for the pages I am intent on ranking for. If the stats look a bit crooked, then pop your webpage view to full size in your browser. On second thoughts, if you have already popped your browser page to full view and are still seeing crooked stats (as I am) then let me explain here.
The first column of figures is US local search volume in Google; second column is global search volume; third column is the AdSense CPC; fourth column is my current page ranking in Scroogle.
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US local search vol global search vol AdSense $ US Current Rank in Scroogle
0 2,400 .69 3
0 1,600 .82 17
1,600 1,900 1.01 26
2,400 3,600 .76 1 – now down to 4
1,300 1,900 .92 1 – now down to 4
4,400 5,400 .69 no rank
1,300 1,600 .97 36
1,600 2,900 .57 5 – now down to 11
390 590 1.06 8
320 480 2.00 no rank
1,900 2,400 1.82 no rank
140 170 2.71 no rank
1,600 1,900 1.60 no rank
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I think the above stats are fairly obvious as to what they mean, and will tell you that this is far from high end stuff going on. Thus you would expect rankings to come without too much hard work.
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Nevertheless, my point here is to show how its still possible to make a pretty decent income from one site without busting your butt in doing so. After all, in December, the site pulled in around 160 bucks US and that was just through ranking top spot for a couple of kwds and top 10 for a couple of others.
Generally it sees around 70 US bucks per month though, but with the added content and the ability to rank top 5 for all of those posts/kwds, I suspect I’d be seeing 5 to 6 times (at least) that income on a monthly basis. Its not huge, but it will be fairly passive income once the rankings materialize. And if I was seeing around 400 bucks from this site, well – that’s pleasing in my mind. Plus, I could most probably go forth and build out the site a lot more, so the potential here is looking rather nice!
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I must mention that I bought this domain with the “John XFactor theory” in mind – you buy up an exact match domain name, you add in a few pages of unique content, you then backlink from around 5 to 10 of the higher end article directories and then you sit back and watch your goog rankings fly through the roof.
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This may have worked 6 years ago, but its impossible to do that now. I’m afraid we have to bust butt quite a bit more than relying on a few backlinks from a handful of article directory submissions. And I don’t want to get into the discussion of being ripped off when you buy an eBook on SEO and internet marketing techniques, but it would seem to me that if you did buy into John XFactor’s system – via his eBook and his forum, you’ve not made the wisest investment. But again, this is not to say that its a bad system – it is to say its unworkable now and needs a very serious booster to achieve rankings.
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Okay – so yes, I did have top spot ranking for the exact match domain, but as you can see – in Scroogle at least, I no longer have that accolade. I will get it back though, by using the Build my Rank tool.
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I will not be using any other tool to work on my rankings here. And I will endeavour to achieve around about 35 to 50 links to each particular page – around 8 pages in all, which target 12 different keyword phrases.
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I shall be “trying” to get between 3 and 5 links per day (when I say “trying” I do mean – trying! Its a very laborious task after all, LOL!) because I will have another 4 domains in here that also need backlinking attention.
In the case of BMR, you need to submit a snippet of text with a minimum of 150 words, with your own anchor text there-in. These are then sent out to various blogs and other websites, and tend to be indexed at a very high rate indeed with no work from you to ensure the Google indexing – I may add.
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I shall be reporting back weekly on how the rankings are panning out.
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Now, in the meantime, I must mention that for me to be offering this as an affiliate is not really particularly good thinking on my part – if I were intent on making a good income from my affiliate sales, then BMR is not the route I would take. They pay out a very small $17.10 on the $59 dollar account.
But, what I am willing to do here is, if you want to go give this thing a try, I will send you $12 out of my own affiliate check for the first two months of use (12 bucks each month) every single month you use this service! You need to send me your payment info so I can verify things, and also a Paypal ID so I can re-imburse you.
And I don’t mind at all that you only use this for two months and then dump it. That’s your call. If you see little value in the tool after two to three months of use, then I suggest it wise to get rid of it asap!
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So to spell that out, if you decided to take the $59 per month account and you buy via my affiliate link, you will only pay $47 per month for the first two months of use every month of use!
If you decide to go for higher end – there are various package deals to suit different needs, then let me know and we can work something out to make the deal sweet for you.
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If I find that my own results pan out the way I am fully expecting (top 5 rankings for pretty much all may targeted kwd phrases using BMR alone) and I am also starting to get some decent feedback from other BMR users, I may actually go ahead and set up a service whereby you can pay a monthly fee to me and I handle all your content writing and also your monthly BMR fee. That’s not even in the pipeline at the moment though, but is food for thought – if the demand is there, and if my energy levels can fulfil this potential offering.
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Hi Joseph,
I found your website through Pat & the interview you did with Rob recently. I have just started out with UAW and the anchor site route to try to rank my Sales page. Would you suggest continuing using that and adding BMR or try them out together?
If you are interested, please drop me and email and I would gladly send you a free copy of my $47 eBook. I think you’ll like it.
Regards
Eric
Hi Eric – nice to know your office is in the clouds
I suspect we are all “living in the clouds” – some more than others, LOL! Hehe – sorry but that was kinda good fun. Its a very nice concept when I think it through. Very nice indeed!
That’s good – you went to Rob’s site – this guy is one to follow. I’ve been emailing back and forth with Rob Cornish over the past few weeks and I am really impressed by his ideas and the way he is moving forward. He’s a bit like Tim Ferris in a sense of being innovative with his thinking, but its early days so he’s yet to prove himself in the mainline. I’m very much on his side!
With a new domain Eric – these days you have to be very careful if you want to rank in Goog. She (or he) is very sensitive indeed about new domains. I just made a reply to a lady over on Pat’s blog about the change in goog’s algorithm, which is (the algo change, that is) very condeming and unforgiving to very many prospective IM folks. Its wise you do not follow that same route.
Regards your sales page – if its fresh and no backlinks up till now – I suggest you take it very easy with backlinks. Goog will not reward you for fast backlinking. And it would seem that they will not reward you even for slow backlinking. As Tom said in an earlier comment on this post – your best bet is to take this whole thing as being a long term pursuit because early gains in Google are incredibly difficult to come by. Exact match domains may well be on their way out too.
BMR is a solid tool to use Eric. You just have to know what to use it on to get good results. By all means send me a copy of your eBook – you can use this email:
joseph@josepharchibald.com
Have you an affiliate program for the eBook as of yet?
Thanks!
Joseph
Thanks for taking your time to write this long comment. I just checked out Pat’s post once more, wow 417 comments.
This particle Sales page would relay on promotion from Affiliates, so yes there is a program for that. You’ll find it under My Account. You should have received the login information by now.
I’m testing different products and strategies on some of my smaller sites before I go live with my new Membership site. I have a very popular niche blog with 20.000 visitors a month and 3500+ on the list and I’m the only one doing lead generation. So I’ll join you in the contest to make $4k a month
The goal is to make myself virtual like Chris, you can’t see me but I’ll still claim my salary
and spend more time at my home office in sunny Fortaleza – Brazil.
I’ve got you and Rob on my RSS now so I’ll be following your work. Best of luck with your success.
Hey Joseph. Need tour help on UAW. let me know where we can continue our conversation on this.
Cheers!
Hi Eric, yes Pat’s post re the “backlinking system that works” is catching up with my own Warriors thread, lol!
Ah – I think you’ll have the winning hand where the 4k US per month is concerned Eric – seems like you’ve already got that one in the bag!
Yes, Chris sits in the background and let’s me be the “front man”. I think he does intend to set up a blog but only once we achieve our initial goals. Mind you, he’s not the most patient guy so you will not be seeing the same sort of replies on his blog that you get on mine
I’ll check my email for the login details Eric – looking forward to it!
Regards
Jo
Hi ShakD, what’s up?
Goodluck with your rankings using bmr. I will be looking forward to the results you’ll be having. I better head over to Pat’s blog too and read about that article you mentioned in your comments. And by the way, this is a sweet deal indeed!
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What Andrew – you’ve not yet read Pat’s post re my backlinking system? I thought everyone in the IM and SEO world had read that by now, lol! Its proving mighty popular – I think its the most heavily commented post on his blog by quite some way and that’s saying something!
I’m busy slogging on using BMR now – its oh so tempting to outsource this writing lark once again, but I’ll try to keep at it.
Yes, its a pretty sweet deal Andrew – but no takers as of yet, and I’m not sure why. Maybe folks are waiting for my updates to see if this is indeed the “knees of the bees”.
Have a fine day in sunny UK!
Jo
Should be an interesting experiment. I tried BMR for 2 months but it was just too much writing for me to justify the cost.
Hey Carrie – yes, I hear what you are saying. Its a real drag having to write out post after post (unlike with Blog Blueprint). So I think the best way to use this tool is to work with a site that already has some reasonably good rankings and just boost those rankings a bit and see the rewards of doing so fairly early on. Then the motivation is there to keep on writing out the posts.
So far – after a couple of days, I’m doing fairly well with it – 14 posts in all, lol! If I can keep up that pace then I’ll be happy.
Joseph,
14 posts is not bad especially as it takes about 75 to make a site move with the tool.
Keep plugging
Tom
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Yes, I’ll keep on pluggin with this Tom – if I can do 7 or 8 posts per day I’m happy with that. I’ll probably outsource at some stage but for now I’ll keep on banging on my own keyboard
That’s pretty amazing, bringing in a good income with only 4 pages. Quite simply, I wish I could do that.
Delena
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I guess if you can set up a few sites like that Delena, then its going to be down-hill all the way because these sort of sites do fit in well with the proverbial passive income scenario. On the other hand, google being google, I would tend to want to diversify away from adsense alone. But its certainly a solid addition to any income – to have a few nicely performing adsense sites working passively in the background.
Regards
Joseph
Adsense is just like that… I have a site that is 6 pages and it brings in $200 bucks per month and another that gets the same clicks and traffic and brings in $15. It’s all about testing, doing the keyword research, creating the content, getting the sites out there, back linking and waiting…. rinse and repeat.
I finally am starting to realize what Joseph meant about less is more. As I am getting in my seventh month… I can see that after a while it is easy to see which sites to focus on and build up and which ones to sell or simply forget.
Another lesson learned.
Tom
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Yes, I’ve found adsense to be much more “miss” than “hit” Tom. But then, I’m not so big on it these days and could probably get more of the “hits” if I were to try a bit harder. Yes – seems the Pareto rule is coming into play to some extent – 80% of adsense sites do very little, where the other 20% pull in the readies.
Yes, less is more – that will be my motto till my dying day. My old pa always told me that I have to work and work real hard if I want to get anywhere in life and I never did really understand that concept, even though he worked real hard and got to pretty much where he wanted to be, give or take… But no – there has to be a much easier way than that and it takes a bit of thinking things through to gain the clarity of mind to then carry out the “less is more” theory with success.
Best to you Tom!
Jo
Joe,
FYI… Have you noticed that the ‘continue to read’ links throughout your blog seem to be linking off of the blog and on to other sites?
Hi Andy, I saw that happening on one post so I changed it back to just the full post. So its happening on other posts too is it? I’ll have to change to the full post on all posts from now then so it seems. Thanks for letting me know.
Jo
Hi Joseph! I am definitely going to take you up on your offer, thank you for the great deal! I opted to try out the 15 day trial first just to see if I liked it – and I do so far. I’m going to cancel my trial and then clickthrough again from your site and sign up for the paid service (want to make sure you get the credit). I’ll let you know as soon as I do that within the next week.
Thanks again!
Kasi
Hey Kasi, that’s cool, thanks in advance!
I’ve updated the offer just half an hour ago – initially it was $15 back for 2 months but I’ve now changed that to the current offer which is obviously MUCH better for those who wish to use this tool for the longer term!
Thanks again!
Joseph
That is such a great offer, wow – I really appreciate it. I’ve already made sure with the BMR folks that my account is tagged with your affiliate ID. Where shall I send you my payment confirmations & paypal ID?
Thanks again, Joseph!
Kasi
Hey Kasi, glad to be of some help and thanks for the extra effort! Please email me at joseph@joseph.archibald.com and I’ll reimburse you as soon as I get back online!
Thanks!
Joseph
Hi Joseph,
Just wanted to clarify that with BMR– it seems that this tool takes some intensive work. As opposed to using this to link to buffer sites, should I use this strictly to link to my money site? Also, do you think that Distribute Your Articles Dot Com or other article submission sites are counter productive at this point? Lucky guy you are to be in Old Scotland for a bit.
Hey Jeff, yes – this is what I am trying to highlight in my BMR study – you can use this tool to SAFELY link to your money site directly and still achieve rankings in google.
I’ve got a further BMR update to make shortly Jeff, if that is of interest to you – that will be completed within an hour or so.
Good question re Distribute Your Articles and other article submission software Jeff. As far as ranking directory submission articles in google these days (if the article is new – I still see ezine articles ranking well in goog, so up till now certainly not all have been demoted and you have to wonder if they ever will…), I would personally be placing far less emphasis on this. But I would still be using article directory submissions and web 2.0s to channel link juice to my money site. I doubt there has been any negative effect on this at all. In fact, in some ways what google have done simply make our job that bit easier. To rank a money site could be a little easier if the competition from the likes of ezinearticles and squidoo, hubpages, wikipages etc. is not so strong. On the other hand, I get the impression that mature sites are being given a little more of a boost in google rankings, which does not entirely make sense to use this on a “blanket” basis. If I am in need of some cutting edge info, I’m hardly going to benefit from finding the top 10 search results in google being 2 years old and even older…
Yes – its been a real joy staying in Scotland. We’re off to England later on today and I’ll probably be staying there for the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Cheers!
Joseph
Joseph,
The short articles that you write on BMR…
I have a debt collection related website, do I need to write about topics in that niche or can I write about something totally different and just include a link with proper anchor text? (a keyword I am targeting to rank for) Sometimes I get writers block but would be nice to be able to write about anything and still get the link as I could do that much easily…. I have to build out some pages on my site before I can sign up…I do know that.
Hi Luke, I think that your posts will be accepted if you choose to write very broadly on your subject. I too have a very “dry” niche that I’m working these BMR tests on and it almost literally bores me to tears. But you can if you wish write any old rubbish and they accept it, as long as its unique and hand-written content.
To be honest, I could get into a bit of a frenzy here about this whole aspect of the internet – write rubbish and its fine, use really good non-unique content and its “hated” and cast down by the powers. What is the web coming to, you have to wonder.
Nevertheless, as said – you can write very broadly on your subject matter and it will be fine.
Joseph,
Great stuff. I found your blog through Pat Flynn’s blog, specifically from your recent guest post.
I have been following Pat’s Backlinking strategy for the past few months for a niche site of mine and am now to the point of wanting to purchase Blog Blueprint. However, after reading your blog post about Build My Rank I am conflicted about which one to buy.
Is their a quality difference between the two products? Will both get the job done of building one-way backlinks? I see that BMR requires 150 words instead of the 100 from BB and that they only allow 10 posts per day per domain versus 20 per day with BB, but are there other differences that you know of?
If I submit 200 posts over a period of time pointing to the same domain but different pages, will all of those backlinks be from different domains?
Thanks.
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Hi Andrew, thanks for coming over from Pat’s blog and taking the time to comment!
Yes, I bet lots of folks are somewhat conflicted as to which is best for them – BB or BMR.
I believe that BMR has more sites to post to than does BB, so chances of getting your posts added to the same site are smaller with BMR.
If you are writing up the content yourself, then you have to consider the fact that BMR is going to be a lot harder work – no spun content is accepted. If you are outsourcing content production, BMR is set up perfectly for that!
Indexing rates on BMR are the highest I have seen with any SEO tool, and appear to stick for a long time too.
The pricing structure of BMR may be a factor for you too Andrew – if you have more than five domains you wish to backlink to, then prices go up accordingly, where for BB the price remains the same no matter how many domains you wish to backlink to.
Support on BMR is that bit better than that of BB, it has to be said.
I think that covers the main points Andrew – hope that helps to make a final decision!
Regards!
Joseph
Joseph,
I am already writing all of my content, so I am not worried about the amount of writing I have to do.
I am currently only interested in using BMR for one domain and utilizing the ten per day max. However, if I build another niche site, which is likely, then I will be using BMR for that domain(s) too.
Does BMR let you know which domains they placed your post and links on?
Once you stop using the service do your links stay intact? Of course I hope it works out and I continue using the service.
Sorry about all the questions. Thanks a bunch for helping out.
Andrew
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Hi Andrew, yes – BMR does let you know precisely where all your posts are and even if they have been Google indexed or not.
Links stay intact – yes. I know that for a fact because I used this tool a while back, then dropped it just before Christmas, then re-opened the same account in February and could see all my previous links (from October and November) were still there (I did not check them all to see they were intact, but I checked a few, and yup – they were all still working fine).
No worries about all the questions Andrew. Its wise to make sure you are getting the best tool currently available on the market for your needs. And in my opinion, BMR is one of the best tools currently on the market, but it does not meet everyone’s needs.
Regards
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Ive just stumbled upon your site via searching for BMR feedback and comments.
I am searching for an automated tool to use on my current 3 new websites. In a couple of months there will be 2 more.
These sites are around 20 page sites. So there will be 5.
My keywords are generally long tail and relatively easy to rank.
Being a ‘newbie’ (started in February) I am trying to find the best package that will suit my needs. With so many reviews and so much hype its very hard to determine what is fact or just a good sales pitch..or both.
I have been leaning towards ‘Rankbuilder’ however the negative feedback on this is considerable. It appears to be able to create the most ‘diversity’ in links. My understanding is that this is valuable in the eyes of Google.
However from what i’m reading it appears links can disappear. That concerns me if the links being built won’t hold up and in effect create a domino effect….and undo any good work once Google hone in on ‘ordinary’ links/websites.
So, my question to you is what is your opinion based on your experience on what software would be best suited to my needs and stage of development?
And what does BMR actually do? I’m reading these comments but i’m not getting much about what it does.
A little bit more info, 2 of my sites have a couple of links on them. My first site has around 30 odd links on main page…mostly gained via article submission.
I’m seeing that 60 pages of content will require a lot of work.
Hence the automated focus and questions.
Apologies for the long winded post!
Just need to know what the best approach is as I work full time as well and need to maximise my efforts.
The only automated software I have is Rapid Rewriter. I also use RSS Bot and do the Socialadr.com Bookmarketing.
PS What is your current offer re BMR?
Hi William,
since you are looking to get long tail rankings, both BMR and Blog Blueprint are well suited to this.
Both these tools take your short snippets of text (with one anchor link of your choice included) and post to a variety of websites which are owned by each respective network.
With Blog Blueprint (BB) you will not be able to tell too often as to where your snippets have been placed, and also the Google indexing rate is not so great. With regards to how long the links actually last – its not easy to say that for sure.
With BMR you will be able to see exactly where your snippets are placed and can follow up on them months and years later to ensure continued indexing. BMR actually does provide a very high indexing rate without any requirement for your intervention. Obviously without a post (snippet) being indexed, the link within that post will not count for anything, and thus is a waste of precious time, effort and money. I first used BMR back in October of last year and can see to this day that most of my snippets are still indexed in Google, and thus the links still count.
However, with BMR you cannot submit any spun text, where with BB you can. Therefore BMR is rather a lot more labour intensive (unless you outsource the writing and submission, which can be done cheaply without having to use the internal writing and submission service, which I believe costs $2 US per snippet).
If you outsource, then I would say that BMR is a super tool and ideal to your current needs. If you don’t outsource and don’t want to have to write up post after post (150 words minimum per single backlink), then BB may be better for you (100+ words per snippet in BB’s case).
The offer I have on BMR at the moment is for the base account which costs $59 per month and you can use that to submit links to up to five different domains (should you wish to use something other than the base account, I can work something out for that). I provide a rebate of $12 per month for every month you continue to use my link for your investment. Its not a particularly high rebate but then I only receive $8 commission once the rebate has been provided.
With BB, I provide a $20 rebate/refund for every month of use which goes through my affiliate link.
Hope that helps to clarify things William.
Regards and best wishes with your rankings!
Joseph
Hello Joseph,
I purchased a membership to BMR through your link on April 5th based on your recommendation in this post. I am happy to report that my two months of use have been well worth the money and effort. I am now ranking 2nd for three of the main keywords I have been pursuing with BMR links! A success to say the least.
I am sending you an email to take advantage of your BMR offer you mentioned in this post. I recommend others use BMR for backlinking purposes. Thanks.
Andrew
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Andrew, I’m very happy that you are seeing this sort of success and appreciate your feedback on it too! I also am using BMR full blast on the $79 a month account and seeing good results with it – call it a labour of love, if you will
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I’ve Paypal’d you the reimbursement already – please send other month’s receipts if you still have them. Thanks for your purchase and may you continue to see good successes from your use of BMR!
Regards
Joseph
Hi Joe,
I’m interested to sign up BMR via your link, thanks for the offer. How often we are allowed to change the domains (e.g. move on to other sites)?
Thanks,
Mike
Hi Mike, thanks in advance! You can change around the domains as much as you want. The base account allows you to add up to five domains but you can still swap them around to suit. Make sure you have at very least 3 pages of content before you add your sites to BMR or they are not accepted.
Thanks,
Joseph
Joseph BMR states in their T&C that they would not publish spinned snippets and whosoever would try to publish them, they will ban their accounts.
Is this the case with them?
Yes Pragya – I tried to publish very highly spun content when I first started using BMR – upwards of 75% uniqueness, but these were rejected. Support are very picky as to quality of posts offered and John (the owner) is a hard man to please.
Joseph
Joseph as you stated that they really need very unique content, then how do you get so much unique content for submission to them.
If you were to build say 800 backlinks over a period of time, from where you would bring 800 unique snippets of text.
Thank you for responding to the questions.
Pragya, 800 backlinks from BMR on the same topic? That would be somewhat troublesome but its still possible – you just have to use some creativity in your writing. Actually, I tend to write up articles for BMR with no research about the subject matter, even if its quite a tricky subject. The way I can do that is just to write up little stories about it in some way. So for example, let’s say we are targeting golf umbrellas. I might write something like this…
“When I was a kid my father used to play a lot of golf. And of course, being from Scotland we had to use golf umbrellas on a very regular basis…”
This is perfectly acceptable both for BMR and for Google if you think about it. And it should be beneficial for rankings in Bing and Yahoo too as its all highly contextual links. If you can, and if you intend on using BMR extensively, its wise to invest in outsourcing. And don’t get one person to work full time on it either, because as you can see – it becomes incredibly tedious to write about the same thing over and over
Regards to you Pragya
Joseph
that’s a good trick Joseph, but please tell me is 800 backlinks for a page (this is the page for which i want top rankings in google) very big?? Obviously, i am going to build these over a larger period of time.
Please explain me, as i am a kind of newbie here!
I would not use BMR for a single page on this amount of backlinks Pragya. You will find that it becomes less effective after a certain amount of backlinks. You’ll need to mix up the backlinking a bit and not merely rely on BMR to rank your post – unless its fairly uncompetitive.
Joseph
Hey Joseph, are these broad search, phrase search, or exact search volumes?
I’d never use broad Tri because they are not at all appropriate for SEO.
Joseph
My website is only about a month old, with around a dozen blog posts so far. Do I need to wait for my blog to mature before I start using something like BMR? I don’t want to put in the work and money and end up being penalized! If you can let me know your opinion on that, I’d really appreciate it. Thank you!
Hi Rebecca, you can start using BMR on a site that has 3 pages of content or more. As mentioned recently, I’ve got a site that only has 3 pages of content which I’ve been using BMR on and its got a 2nd place ranking in Google for the main kwd phrase. So its never too early to begin backlinking on a site. As long as you keep the backlinks very slow and very regular in the early days, you’ll be just fine.
Hope things go well Rebecca!
Joseph
Hi Joseph,
is your BMR offer still available (12$ discount every month)?
Also, how does it works? Do you send the money as soon as you have your BMR affiliate payment?
Thanks
J.
Hi Jak, yes, offer is still on at $12 a month. Yup – as soon as you send over your receipt of payment and your Paypal ID I will issue the money to your account.
Thanks for asking Jak!
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Been following your posts for a few months on and off. I was hoping you might be able to give me your opinion on a backlinking strategy I will be starting in around 3 weeks.
I’ve pretty well spent the majority of this year getting my sites ready to then backlink. I did a bit of backlinking for a couple of months as a test, but predominantly have been building my sites.
Heres what I will have come September:
5 websites. These sites are all around 20-25 articles each. 3 sites are around 6-7 mths. 1 site will be 2mths. And 1 site will be around 5 weeks.
I’ve had a look around and like the sound of BMR. What you offer re $12 refund sounds great so after I try the initial 15 day free trial, if I like it I will go through your affiliate link.
Do you recommend a particular strategy here?
I’m also thinking about getting Article Marketing Robot. I’ve manually done a bit of article submission to around 30 different sites – just wondering whether you think its worth sticking to just manual submissions to a core of good sites or just doing a big auto submission to 100′s of sites?
Any recommendations on above or other strategies?
Cheers
William
Hi William, I would use BMR on your new sites – its an ideal tool for that. I would set it to begin at 1 to 3 link submissions per day for the first 10 days to two weeks, then move up on the submissions to the next level – 4 to 6 per day and so on.
AMR – I would not use it on a new site, other than to backlink to a secondary layer of sites, as was detailed in the Warrior Forum 40 day challenge. AMR is a very powerful tool and has to be used with real care.
Early on in the life of a new site, there is nothing else that is required in terms of backlinking. Slow and sure will win the game in terms of Google rankings.
Best wishes with your sites William!
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Thanks very much for your thoughts. Heres a how long is a piece of string question that nobody seems to know the answer to
?
“When/what age then does a site stop being ‘new’ or become considered to be ‘aged’ by Google?”
And…
“Just because Google has this approach, does it mean the other search engines apply the same approach/formula?”
In other words is it ‘that’ important?
Just on AMR, are you suggesting I hold off on that for now and maintain manual submissions?
If so, my current list is around 25-30 sites. Should I narrow that down to the main players?
If so who are they?
Lots of questions!
PS You have convinced me re Build My Rank. In September I will get mine through you so if there is a link for the trial via you please give it to me.
Are 150 word posts the way to go or is it just a personal preference?
Would more articles (eg 150 word Vs 300-450 word) mean more chance of links being spread throughout the internet? That is 3 times the articles at 150 words.
The $59 BMR deal mentions 5 URL’s. Is this 5 websites or is it 5 ‘pages’ of websites?
My understanding is that it is only 5 URL’s however if you have longer posts (say 450 words) you are then able to add additional ‘pages’ from the site/s of one of your chosen URL’s.
I am not familiar (have heard of it however) with the WSO 40 day challenge or the backlink second layer techniques.
Thats a newbie for ya!
Cheers
William
PS If AMR is powerful and high risk for new sites, then when would be a good time to embrace using this?
Hey William – wow, questions, questions!
Okay, here we go, one by one…
1. how long before a site is no longer considered new?
Hmmm… in terms of backlinking, I would say that if you are backlinking every day and moving on upwards with backlink count on a fairly regular basis, a site is no longer “new” after a few months. You can’t really quantify that though because there are different criteria involved.
2. do the other search engines have the same approach to a “new” website that Google do?
Na – for example, in Yahoo, you can get a new site ranking high within a week if you hit it hard with backlinks, where in Google you’d be heavily penalized for doing the same. I get the impression that Bing and Yahoo are very different to Google, even though I’ve read otherwise. They just seem to rank very different things in search than do Google. Not that I am a Bing and Yahoo expert whatsoever.
3. AMR is a powerhouse of a tool and a pain in the butt if you are not particularly technical like me. Put it this way William – if you are not very careful and very patient when using AMR, its very easy to find your site being penalized in Google for going over-board with it. AMR is a great tool to batter other sites (article submissions, web 2.0s such as Squidoo, etc.) which lead back to your main site. And if you are patient, then its good also to link back to your main site fairly early on.
4. Main players? In terms of article directories, you’d be as well doing a search query along the lines of “top article directories” and find a result that provides a recent list. Google are still committing an error here – they often provide thoroughly outdated search results. So do be sure that the search result is recent cos article directories come and go just like the sun.
5. My affiliate link to the BMR trial is on my blog home page in the sidebar – click the image and you’ll be taken through to the purchase page.
Thanks in advance!
6. You need to supply 150+ words to get a single text link in that short article. They will not accept anything with less wordage than that. But to go writing longer articles is not a sensible use of time in my opinion. 150 words of relevant text with a link embedded within is a good way to achieve a quality backlink to keep all the search engines happy – the big 3 anyhow.
7. BMR offers space for 5 URL’s on the $59 a month account. 10 URL’s on the $79 a month account and so on.
8. The Warriors 40 Day Challenge – at least you’ve heard of it. That’s good, cos it was me who created it
9. A good time to invest in AMR is when you want to hit the outer sites which are linking to your main site with tons of backlinks. In which case its sensible to get this monster early on. If you want to use it to backlink to your main site, it may be more sensible to use it a little further down the way – perhaps after 3 months or so, when you have a lot of backlinks in place already. Having said that, you can of course set AMR to submit only a few articles per day. But I know quite a number of folks who get fed up doing it that way and then blast off way too many in one go. Guess what tends to happen next…
I think that about covers everything.
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Thanks for taking the time to reply to all of those questions.
You have REALLY clarified AMR for me – I can now see how I could use it for my main sites just being patient with a drip feed approach.
Auto article marketing has scared me a little with all of this stuff about Google penalising etc.
As you say, if its done patiently then its probably a sound strategy.
The theme seems to be patience here – and thats fine by me!
Thanks for the 150 word clarification. That was my opinion. I think its a lot easier to write 150 words and add a link than create a more structed 450 word article.
I’m afraid when I see the word ‘warrior’ I tend to think ‘”here we go again with ‘another’ WSO”
…hence my indifference to anything with that word in it unfortunately.
No offence to your book though! I did read that chapter you released however. A good read.
I am hoping that the 5 (or however many) URL’s on BMR can be changed each month. Do you offer a discount on the $79 BMR 10 URL pack by chance?
PS I am pretty familiar with ‘most’ of the top article directories. I just hear that bar the top 5-10, the others are a waste of time as the links are not worth much. Hence me asking what the ones are that you value.
Thanks again Joseph, and for what its worth I have read quite a few of your posts and like your style and yourgeneral take on lifestyle! Would replace the beers though for a nice cuppa!
William,
WSO – yes, there is a whole lot of rubbish provided to the market by this method. Some gems along the way too.
Yes, you can change around the URL’s on BMR as much as you want. Providing each site that you addd to BMR is not gambling orientated etc. and has at least 3 pages of content, you’ll be fine.
I do offer a discount on the $79 account but it ain’t much more than the $59 because I make very little extra – $16 a month on the $79 account each month.
I value every article directory really, William. A link is a link after al. If I want to make a it a very strong link, I simply have to use something like AMR to backlink to my article submission, no matter which directory its on. Not that I take time to do that often, but its a sure way to get strong links and higher Google Page Rank on your main site, if that is appealing for you.
Regards drinking beer as opposed to a nice cuppa – personal taste William, personal taste. I find that the beer helps me to chill out and think about something else other than internet marketing. If I were not able to do that, I’d be even more of a machine than I am now – and some folks say I’m boring enough
Good points there Joseph. Whilst a cuppa is my preferred choice there is always a place for a nice cold beer and a Barbie….not to mention the odd shot of Benedictine as well
Thanks for clarifying the BMR $79 deal. At around $63 a month with your discount that sounds like an option.
Cheers
William
PS I’ve really only started IM end of January 2011 so working 4 days a week and managing to get 5 20 off page sites up has been a challenge to say the least. One i’m enjoying. If i’d believed a lot of the hype and promises of overnight riches I would have stopped this months ago. Long term approach here. Hoping 2012 will start seeing some income rolling in.
Benedictine, huh William? Sounds very medicinal!
In the earlier days I used to build up site after site but it became apparent that this did not suit me. After all, if you try and SEO for all of them you soon become a nervous wreck. It does suit some folks though, but for others they just focus on a handful of sites at a time.
Yes, the promise of over-night wealth is quite incredulous. And its made by folks who are trying to make a few bucks online for themselves most probably because they’ve failed in every other way they’ve tried before. Longer term is a sound approach to making it big in the years to come!
Hi Joseph
I have started the BMR free trial, and although very early days, I can already see how this form of backlinking really suits my style. I can do this much quicker than mucking around trying to work out forum links for example.
I joined the free 15 day trial via your page link so when I am ready to go ahead with the payment, do you get the affiliate sale from that or do I merely cancel and join again?
I want to get this right because I want to get your generous discount and I want you to get something out of it as well.
So if you could confirm the process from here that would be good.
Seems I may have misunderstood the whole ‘URL’ thing with BMR. As I have 5 websites, then does that mean I can target all 5 of them on the $59 deal and link to any page within the website…..is that correct?
If so that deal would suit me perfectly!
I joined up last night and already have 10 links posted . What I thought with this (and forgive me for being obvious…newbie speaking of course;) was that if you plan it a little, a lot of the posts should flow quite easily as you will be writing about your website articles and the material you already know and have written about.
I’m guessing where some might come a little unstuck with BMR is where they have outsourced the content/article writing of their website and don’t know their niche that well or havent researched it….so when they get to BMR they are not too clear on their topics.
Cheers
William
Hi William, happy to hear you are “enjoying” using BMR!
If memory serves me well, you have to cancel your current agreement with BMR and set up a new one. May be worth sending support an email about that though – they are always very responsive.
Yes – you can enter up to 5 different URL’s and target any page you wish on any of them within BMR. As long as you have a minimum of 3 pages of content, you should get the go-ahead from BMR support for each URL you wish to focus on.
That is correct William – it can indeed help to know your niche as this does make for writing BMR posts that much easier and more fluid.
Thanks William!
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Went ahead and purchased BMR on your affiliate link.
Details as follows:
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About the automatic payment you just set up:
Amount to be paid each time: $59.00 USD
Billing cycle: Monthly
Payments start: 16 Aug 2011
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my email for Paypal is
If you require further info to verify or to send payment please let me know.
PS Please do not add this email to blog comments to state the obvious.
I have already done 60 posts on BMR and find it very user friendly. Will be interesting to see how it looks after several months. I love it!
Cheers
William
Hi William thanks for taking BMR via my affili link! I’ve already sent you over the $12 to your Paypal.
I’ve edited your comment here to take out your Paypal ID and also the transaction number – that’s your personal info, so best not to share it on the blog here.
Thanks again and have fun!
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Thanks for your prompt payment and for the opportunity to test this BMR at a discount.
For those who are wondering, all i can say is that its very user friendly, and if you have an ability to write, then this is one tool worth looking at.
Of course its too early to tell re backlinks, but love the way it tells you when the post is live and if it is indexed.
The 150 word posts for me are the selling point as it means I can get a few done.
In a little over a week i’ve churned out 80 so happy with that.
Cheers
William
Hi William you are most welcome! Thanks again for using my affiliate link!
Yes, the ability to check your links etc is very good indeed with BMR. Its not going to suit everyone due to the fact its very labor-intensive, but for those who don’t mind churning out these short posts one after the other, there are potentially rich dividends to be had by doing so.
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Just thought i’d touch base on the BMR experiment i’m doing. I started around 14 August, and at time of writing I have 280 (150 word) posts. I am aiming to get around 300 posts in per month to be distributed to all 5 sites.
This works well for me but as you say it is labour intensive. I like the software and the transparency regarding links.
I have all sites now locked into the 1-3 posts per day (initially my 2 newest sites that are just a couple of months old were on 1 post per day for about 20 days)
So I have started off fairly slowly re submission rate. I realise too that by focusing on 5 sites I am diluting my efforts across all 5 rather than a one site focus.
I have also purchased AMR but have not started that yet – looks to be quite a process to get set up.
I’ve been reading a lot of your blog comments and thought i’d ask a few questions as getting good honest feedback is not always easy online.
As stated earlier, I have 5 websites. Most of my keywords are ranked around 4 Traffic Travis stars in regards to ranking difficulty. My aim is to build lists as I purchased the Mark ling Affilojet pack deal back in January.
I’ve been looking at fiverr.com to get some videos made up to then put on youtube as some variance on backlinking to my sites.
I am working 4 days a week (as mentioned in earlier posts I think) and my aim is to do this affiliate marketing/online income full time.
So my question (its the how long is a piece of string question Joseph…but anyway i’m just looking for an honest assessment here;) is can 5 sites with ‘relatively’ good content get me to a point where collectively they could be earning me around $800 or more a week?
Thats my target….at least initially. I have to admit though that, like yourself perhaps, I am in this for the lifestyle.
Apart from the tools above (BMR/AMR/Youtube) would you suggest other methods to get traffic/sales.
I am yet to make a sale since I started in February, so my aim is to start getting some coming through in early 2012.
Are my feet seemingly on the ground here, and could I build these existing sites up to make a good income – as has been suggested by Affilojet sales pages and the sales pitch?
Cheers
William
PS You appear to be busy, so when you find the time, I would be interested in any advice you have that can help me make use of my time and resources.
Hi William, thanks for your feedback about how you are using BMR. Very methodical and that’s what wins out in the end, more so on fresh domains, so good job!
5 sites to make $800 a week? I would say that 5 sites can make you at least that, depending on your niche and keyword choice. You will find that one or two do better than the others, and you may indeed find that one or two make 80% of that income alone.
There are various tools that are good William, some of which I have mentioned in Tools of This Trade post, which is tabbed at the top of the blog here.
You have got your feat firmly on the ground yes, but as for positively making sales and a good income from your existing sites, that is down to your niche and keyword choice. You’ll soon see, once you start to get some rankings.
Regards
Joseph
Hi Joseph
Thanks as always for your thoughts. Nice to know i’m going about it in a sound way.
My niches are weight loss, muscle, self development, dating, and dogs. My last 2 sites I think are superior, and i’ve made the investment of getting some good professional help with the tech side of things on presentation as my strength is content creation.
If you have the time or inclination take a look at my first one sometime (self development site attached)
Its still a little off where I want it to be (getting a little bit razzed up shortly)and I will be adding more content. I realize some of my keywords etc are just not up to standard….newbie
…but they will get better and amended over time.
I am also in the process of getting specially created ebook covers to sell my PLR ebooks as the generic covers look terrible.
It just makes the sites look so much more professional and not run of the mill.
The generic headers were ditched as they seem to be all over the internet!..and they are bl…dy terrible!
So endeavouring to make my site stand out with better presentation and more quality content…I think!
Thank God for fiverr!
Cheers
William
PS Not in the biz of advertising my sites on these forums as I don’t like to put it out there that they are relatively new sites by a newbie – call it professional pride
Please ensure my website is not put up on forum please. Thanks!
Hi William, gotta say it, you picked out some very tough niches, LOL!
Its a wise move on getting some pro help on presentation – nothing worse than going to a website that looks naff (rubbish), for want of a better word! And although I am more of a naff sorta guy than a pro graphic creator, I do tend to invest money in site graphics once I am seeing traffic.
The self development site attachment – I’m afraid you can’t attach anything to a blog comment – this is a blog as opposed to a forum. So I’ll not be able to see that. If you wanna email it thru to me, by all means – joseph@josepharchibald.com And in no way will I make it public!!
And yes – again, good idea about getting help with some new covers for your PLR stuff – it will make so much difference in the end! Quality content and quality presentation/graphics work/site layout is key these days, you are quite right!
Cheers William!
Joseph
Hi Joseph,
I’m getting BMR, and I might as well get it through your affiliate link and save $12 a month. What details should I send you once I make a payment?
regards,
rosario
Hi Rosario, all you need to do is email me your Paypal receipt and provide your Paypal ID and job done – I will reimburse you there-after!
Thanks in advance Rosario!
Joseph
That’s it, the pain level has become unbearable. I grabbed BMR and BSpinner yesterday. Email in your inbox Joseph. Testimonial is scheduled for New Years Eve (once I’ve gotten 3 of my sites ranking at the top).
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Hi Josh, I’ll get back to you shortly regards reimbursement and thanks for using my affili links! I’m sure New Years Eve is do-able, provided your competition is not insane. And cheers to that happening, Josh!
Joseph
Hi Joseph, email sent with paypal details.
Thanks.
J.
Got that J – I’ll get to this very soon, thank you!
Jo
I just wanted to add to this thread that I did, in fact, purchase BMR through Joe’s link. It works perfectly. And he was super prompt about sending me some money back via paypal!
If you’re on the fence about doing this, pull the trigger and sign up today.
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Very kind of you Brendan! I’ll be popping the check in the post to you tomorrow – who do I sign it to? LOLz!!
I’m taking it very slow for the first week or two. Set it at 1 post per day for all of my sites. Nice and normal for a fledgling site.
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Hi Joseph,
I’m interested in joining BMR. Just wondering..is your $12 monthly refund offer still available?
Yeah Matt it surely is. Just send over a copy of your receipt and your Paypal ID to joseph@josepharchibald.com and I’ll reimburse you.
Cheers!
Joseph
Hi Jo
I just wanted to drop by to thank you for the $12 subsidy these last 3 months. Due to the work involved I needed a break from BMR. Just a bit under 900 posts so i’m happy with the return.
For those wanting to know about BMR I recommend it based on ease of use. Its a great system. Since I work full time its been challenging to get them done – so need a break!
On another note, i’d like to personally thank Jo for his feedback/assistance on some of my sites and his genuine efforts to help me.
Thanks mate!
Highly recommend BMR! And I highly recommend Jo and the $12 subsidy as well. Always delivered soon after payment.
Cheers
William
Hi William, glad to hear things are working out for you regards your efforts with BMR – agreed, this tool can formulate the back-bone of pretty much any SEO campaign if you are looking to rank in Google. I use it on all my new sites these days. And when I first started promoting it over a year ago, there are a few folks who took it via my affiliate link who are still using it, and that’s almost unheard of as far as SEO tools are concerned – normally folks use them for a few months then drop them for something else. This is one of the best SEO tools available today, if not THE best!
Thanks a lot for your feedback William!
Joseph
Joseph,
I signed up for the trial for BMR, but I can’t remember if it was through you or on my own. Do you know if I can cancel and re-signup with your link? Or how to check to see if it was through your link?
Hi JP – yeah, simply get in touch with BMR support and ask them about that. If you’ve signed up on your own and wanna sign up using my affili link in future, you can cancel your current account once the month is out, then come back here and use my link.
Cheers!
Joseph
Hey Joseph, just wanted to stop by and say my less-than-half-pie efforts to work on my first niche site had yielded a 88th placing in Google.
After putting in a few web2/free blogs, it jumped to 56th.
The interesting thing is that after creating 3 BMR posts, 2 weeks later, the ranking has jumped up to 31st.
Now, as an aside, this is not a low-competition keyword though the traffic is a humble 10k per month. It seems my aspiration to succeed at niche marketing has tapered off like so:
begin Social BM for the first time and think to check rankings
1) set up several sites in tandem using strategies outlined here/WF/SPI
Result= 1st site ranked at 344th
2) get weighed down by content creation and drop to two sites
Result= 1st site ranked at 167th
3) get weighed down by web2.0 creation and drop to one site
4) get weighed down by TBS spinning and respin for Web2.0 leaving Blog/Article site posting
Result= 1st site ranked at 88th
5) lose interest in following through on article site posting
6) lose interest in respinning articles for Web2.0/Blog/Article site/Mass Article site submission
7) Queue a few posts on BMR after a two week distraction
Result= 1st site ranked at 31st
To sum up, I think I’m on a winner here. Fail to follow instructions to a ‘T’, show poor follow through, leave plenty of loose ends and you can still get a 1st three-page ranking in less than 2 months. Maybe I could release an ebook titled ‘How to stay semi-interested in internet marketing while attaining the rankings your lazy ass absolutely delivers’. Probably doesn’t have a chance in hell of becoming a WSO but I think it’d hit a wellspring of interested buyers in the internet marketing space – something we could all relate to.
But on a more serious note, I’m actually really happy with the result considering the rather dismal attempts on my part. I know that 50th to 30th is a different story to say 30th to 10th but this is the sliver of progress I needed to begin queuing some content. TBH, creating that much text was proving a bit of a drag for me. The alternative I’ve chosen to go with is using Dragon Naturally Speaking to dictate content on to my Word doc for a mass upload. The thought of writing 45k words each month per domain (10 posts * 150 words * 30 days) was doing my head in a little. Knowing that I can dictate much faster and in a conversational manner, takes a lot of the angst out of the equation for me. Especially when you consider that you’d be backlinking your money site, web2.0 sites, free blogs and main article directories.
ps. sorry for hijacking the comments, just needed a therapeutic outlet
I’m done.
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Hey Josh, thanks for an update on your progress, or in a sense – lack of
I think the main thing we can take from your expose is that there is a whole lot of work involved and its real tough going to keep focused – at least until you start to see results in terms of some half decent rankings.
There are some “new” tools around these days which make this whole process a lot easier than when I first attempted it on Warriors. Take Backlinks Genie for example – it does most of this stuff and it does it on auto – once you get some spun content and load up the system with your URLs and kwd choices. Now that may seem like an expensive option to many folks – $137 per month gets you the ability to set up article directory submissions, set up rather a lot of Web2′s, and then to “spank” those very hard with a whole heap of “spammy” backlinks. However, compare this $137 monthly price tag to either:
1. spending oodles of time doing it all yourself – from setting up your Web2′s to creating your article directory submissions (where chances are high that you lose interest and the project gets shelved)
2. outsourcing much of it, which will probably cost upwards of $400 and perhaps a whole lot more just to get a handful of Web2′s and article directory submissions, and a few hundred backlinks to a number of them
On the other hand of course, you have Fiverr.com these days which truly is a superb resource for outsourcing donkey work like this.
Thus, perhaps its time for me to re-write the ebook and make it about 15 pages long which includes a number of good Fiverr services and some details of how the Genie tool works. Then tie them all together as a plan to get those rankings by utilizing Fiverr and/or Backlinks Genie.
I would, Josh, like to know how you get on with the Dragon Naturally Speaking software. I was gonna get it but its not available where I live. Plus its fairly pricey I believe. So I thought it may not be wise to make the investment cos chances were reasonable I’d use it for a week then it would sit gathering dust, just like my fancy camera and Canon Legria camcorder
So if you can feedback about that Josh, that would be a certain bonus!
Merci beaucoup for taking the time to give us all an insight into your workload!
Joseph
Hi Jo
Just read the article here from Josh. Its a good outline of the challenges newbies (like me) face.
Its just trying to discern what are the best options or bang for your buck really – and that is seen through the eyes of a developing newbie, so its always somewhat limited.
After ‘resting’ BMR just recently (I needed a break) I have been doing a number of fiverrs myself. A bit hit and miss of course, but some are really good value.
Trying to balance 5 sites all created this year is a challenge. I’ve outsourced some article work recently – as much because its close to Xmas as well as getting traffic and backlinks.
You mention the $137 product Backlinks Genie – thats big $$$$ for a newbie not making any $$$. Your reasoning though makes a good point. I will have to take a look at some reviews. I guess though for that price you could do a lot of fiverrs and get some article submissions done as well.
Your thoughts Jo?
I’ve recently purchased ‘scrapebox’ and am just starting the videos on that. This cost me $57 and it appears to be one tool that can be successfully used to do auto blog posts and indexing of links – among other things.
Just one more point, in regards to fiverr Jo, do you think its a valid SEO strategy as is?
I say this because it covers as you would know:
Multiple article submission platforms
2.0 submissions
RSS feed submissions
Social bookmarking/social like buttons (google+1/Facebook/etc)
Directories
You tube
Various Traffic strategies like radio comments
etc etc etc
A strategy incorporating ‘the best services’ of these would surely be a consideration……
Cheers
William
PS I’ve managed 2 sales from 5 websites since February. So I have at least achieved one goal of making a sale by Xmas 2011!
Hey William, yeah – Josh’s feedback is a good solid analogy of what is fairly typical for someone who is fresh to the world of IM and who is seeking to SEO in Google.
Trying to balance 5 sites is going to be real tough going if you are doing it all yourself and if you are part time online. Unless of course you are contented merely to pop a few articles on each and they are in easy niches with low competition. And I would say this is a good way for someone to make progress in the early days because its totally feasible and can have you earning some income relatively soon, which means not only a boost to motivation, but also some cash flow to re-invest.
I personally think that using Fiverr is a great alternative to firstly – doing it all yourself, and secondly – to using expensive tools with a monthly fee attached. Of course you surely have to know what you are doing with the services offered on Fiverr, but once you do, you can set up a really great system whereby you simply utilize the same type of services on each of your sites – providing of course you’ve found this method to work for you in the first place.
Although with my current project site, I am using stuff like Directory Maximizer (18 bucks for a hundred submissions which is affordable to most but this sort of thing can also be outsourced to Fiverr), Genie to some extent (again – can be outsourced to Fiverr), and BMR – which is mainly for ranking my inner pages, everything else this far has been down to Fiverr – as you can see. And the rankings are really booming along, in a very competitive niche too. What does that tell you William? It tells me you can do this stuff on the cheap…
If you venture into a less competitive niche than I am focused upon, you can get a good number of rankings for less than 100 bucks I would imagine, if you used Fiverr alone.
Scrapebox I don’t use simply because I’m tech dumb but I’m sure its a feasible alternative if you can figure it out.
2 sales from 5 sites since February is better than none – but it does sound like something is missing along the way. Hopefully you can now put that right however! Wishing you well for the December rush William!
Joseph
Hey guys,
I’m glad to share my [lack of] workload in a bid to do more than just read about everyone else’s progress
But to be honest, the floundering (as terrible as it looks) is actually a step ahead of my previous attempts to set up niche sites. If I’m being completely honest, there’s no question I have no place doing all this work myself and have only set up a successful business by being fairly skilled at hustling and hiring better people than myself to execute the work at a higher quality than I ever could.
But there comes a time in every man’s life where he just has to know and thus, I find myself here, humbled by a skill I look forward to mastering. It’s common knowledge that you are a great resource online and that’s the main reason I’ve turned away from the pay & pray services I’d employed in the past, instead keen to adopt a better system I can learn to understand more and more so that I can recycle it through a VA, Fiverr service, etc..
To your question about dictating content, it takes me 4-6 minutes to dictate 1000 words. Take note that a lot of it is very conversational, peppered with keywords of course. So 45 sittings of that and I have my content for the month (based on queuing 10 150-word posts per day).
Take note that this requires you know a lot about the subject matter but still, if only I could dictate away every task…
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Hi Jo
Yep 2 sales is pretty average. But i’m focusing on what i’m building towards, so that will only improve.
A lot of newbie mistakes along the way, but my primary focus has been on developing content.
Since Feb i’ve managed to get 5 sites up and going. Each site has between 35-40 pages on it. I’m adding content to 4 out of 5 of those websites weekly. The content is my own and has not been outsourced.
Regarding the content, the majority of it (90%) is aiming to rank for longer tail keyword phrases that are easier to rank for.
With the Traffic Travis tool they usually rate in the ‘relatively easy’ category. I regularly target keyword phrases around/under 1000 ‘exact’ google keyword searches in the US, and often target 2 or 3 keywords per article that total around 1000 total ‘exact’ monthly searches in the US.
Of the 5 sites, I currently have around 70 sign ups in total. Its moving up slowly….but its a start.
All in all it has been a slow process, but working 4 days a week in a ‘normal job’
means my time is limited….for now.
I think a shortlist of really good fiverrs would be invaluable to state the obvious.
Just on your comments re Scrapebox and being technically challenged – I agree. I still have not got around to learning AMR due to the complexities I see with that program.
Scrapebox is quite technical. But auto blog commenting (and being able to learn how to further index existing links) to me looks too appealing to not pursue. I’ve decided i’ll just keep watching videos and learning this stuff. If it takes weeks or months so be it!
I’ll trial it on one website and see how I go.
Another thing Jo is this concept of needing backlinks…. and needing traffic.
Is it possible that with the Google changes with Panda etc etc that we are seeing a potential/gradual shift and move away from more traditional ‘backlinking’ methods, to those that are more geared towards the social activity with facebook/twitter/google+1/youtube and other developing social media sites that are gauging social interaction and activity?
In other words, is the ‘traffic’ component often overlooked in the endeavour to rank via a backlink ranking system?
Cheers
William
Josh – the hustling and hiring of better people than yourself in order to line your pockets (that makes you something of a “fat cat” then, LOL!) sounds good to me, sir!! This IM game is about using your intelligence and not so much about using your braun after all. If I think back to all the time I’ve “wasted” simply because I did not “get it” – well… But along came Fiverr.com, which up till now I’ve been somewhat loathe to use to its capacity. Changed days, fo shu!!
This Dragon utility seems like it could work wonders. The downside for many, including myself – don’t know enough about my niches. Note to self – Joseph, in future, focus only on niches you have an interest in! Man – 5 or 6 mins to generate 1000 words – that is simply awesome! I invest around $600 a month on outsourcing for BMR (and I could still use more input). That would pay for the Dragon 2 times over, if I’m not mistaken! And what about all the emailing every day – and at least some of the other content writing… for the niches I do know something about (which is pretty much zilch other than beer, cigars and SEO, in that order of importance
). What’s food for thought here is – outsourcing the Dragon work to some competent lad or lass so’s they can do the researching of the niches too….
Ah so you are focusing on the opt ins and not merely the site-generated income, William – that sounds like a very solid way to progress in my humble opinion!
I think the 4 days of a “normal” job provides for a sensible mix-up in life. Too much of this IM stuff can be a bad thing – some weeks worse than others of course. But its utterly imperative to get a good life mix or else burn out (and perhaps worse still) looms large on the horizon!
Yeah, I’ll probably go back through the Fiverr gigs I’ve been posting up and pick out what I felt offered incredible value – there have been quite a few already. Then I’ll do a separate write up for those. That may be something I offer to my list though – I’ve done nothing with that list for weeks now so its time I figured something out and focused some attention on it. I’m sure no one will mind however – they tend to know what I’m like
AMR – ya – I don’t enjoy using that either – to the point its now resting gathering proverbial dust. May as well use Fiverr for that also, why not.
Re Google’s move towards social stuff – I agree with what you say William, and think its inevitable. I now use SocialADR a lot and apart from the fact its actually a super tool – even the freebie account is really powerful – I have seen positive effects on some of my older sites which receive no other backlinking. Mind you, those sorta links are more the Diggs, Stumbles, and whatever else there is, rather than the Google+’s, Twitters, and Facebook Likes. But there is no doubting it that the latter does work well, hence my reasons for utilizing it a fair bit on the current hi end project – which reminds me – I ought to get some more of them today.
One more thought on this William – the joint venture site that me and Cristina have – it was doing nothing in Google rankings at all. So she set up that Twitter campaign and over 3 days received a lot of tweets on the site. Although the rankings were slow to come about in Goog, we did suddenly gain hi rankings in both Bing and Yahoo Search, purely off the back of this Twitter activity. Interesting!
Jo
I’m focusing on both the site and the opt ins – but the main focus is to get opt ins. I figure once you have a list its there. Since 4 of my sites have the same pen name, I am going to use that pen name for the future when I plan to start making some audio programs/ebook/guides for 2012.
Just as a thought, is it worth perhaps collating a few of your fiverrs and some recommendations from others (like myself) who are using them too and come up with some sort of a weekly/monthly backlinking plan?
It is obvious I know
That said, to again state another obvious, even some of the highly recommended fiverrs are dubious or not quite what they appear to be.
There are many obscure ones, and i’m sure there are some really good ones that are not known or have the star approvals or highly recommended against their names.
I am more than happy to share the services I think offer value.
Interesting re Bing/Yahoo results there Jo.
PS For your info, the SocialADR (i use the 5 per day freebie) has not been ranked so well by Matt Carter/Terry Kyle and their new program ‘Seo Experts Academy’
He mostly uses it for URL indexing.
Cheers
William
PS I like the sound of the Dragon Naturally Speaking Software. I actually heard about this 10 years ago (A company listed on the ASX was promoting it…before it tech wrecked!)
Your idea of outsourcing that is a nice touch as well!
Outsourcing dictation. I like the way you think Mr. Archibald…ill let you know how long it takes me to queue a months worth of BMR posts. Ill start tackling my current niche tonight.
As for saving time with email, I haven’t relief too havily on it because I email in bullets, numbers and excel tables most of the time. Anyway, given I’m on your email list, I’m looking forward to seeing the fiverr list.
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Hey William – I’ll try to keep my reply short since I’m not getting much else done, LOL!
Collating Fiverr gigs and making something of a compendium sounds like a really good idea! I know its pretty obvious what will work and what will not work – to folks who have been in the SEO game for quite some time – but what about the thousands and thousands of folks who are either new to IM/SEO or simply struggling with their game plan? That’s where this sorta thing could really be a HUGE boost!! First of all – the game plan can be somewhat mapped out like – use this bunch of gigs if you have a fairly mature site, or use this bunch of gigs if you have a fresh domain etc. Plus – its affordable to almost anyone – say 8 Fiverr gigs a month over a couple of websites or something like that.
I’ve not read Terry Kyle/Matt Carter’s write up about SocialADR and perhaps I ought to if I could find the time cos no doubt there are some insights on there. However, fact is – I use it, and I know it works. So I could kinda care less about what they think, if you see what I mean William.
Dragon software – LOL – when I worked in Asda warehouse in the Midlands in England, UK – they brought in voice recognition software and the damn thing never got used to my voice. Problem being that in those monkey type jobs where you gotta be a sheep to survive (pardon me for saying so – don’t wanna be insulting anyone, but that’s a fact of the matter – you work damn hard in order to pay your monthly bills whilst the fat cats at the top grow ever fatter and the smile on their faces grows ever wider), they had a daily target. If you did not reach the target, you were in the sh.te, and eventually booted out…
Looking forward to hearing more about how you get on with Dragon tonight Josh!
Emailing – I tend to get carried away with the emailing quite often, much as I do my blog commenting and postings
I think Dragon would be particularly effective for emails where I’m concerned since I rave on and on… LOL!
Hopefully I can get around to the Fiverr list Josh. I finally got that domain name through from the website that I purchased well over a week ago (10 days to transfer a domain name!), and there’s still quite a bit of fiddling around on the site to do before its ready for the real action. Mind you, I already got it in BMR so we’re off to the races as I speak! Plus its making income too, so that’s pretty darn cool since I only monetized it a couple hours ago.
Wow that is great the new site is making some income already
. I am sure you are busy with it since you finally got it transferred over !. Great news on that!
Its been more work than I thought it would be Blake and I am clueless about the subject matter
Folks are asking questions on the site, and I’m like – “que???”. Plus I was in such a rush to get the thing up and running that I deleted almost all the Amazon stuff on there – 12 pages worth. Dumb – ass thing to do! As it turns out, I fired up AdSense this morning only to see zero clicks from 49 page views. Ouch! I sense this is not gonna cut it on AdSense, plus the payouts tend to be very low when people do click. Shucks – I deleted all the Amazon stuff – not a good move, Joseph!!
Ouch … moving on a decision before fully thinking it out …. something I am guilty of daily !!! 49 page views not bad for something with a lot of upward potential
. Thanks for the 1 – 10 reply on random BMR post … Yea it did two high end days and almost cleared out my queued post hah …. switched it over to schedule post and I am just randomly scheduling 2-5 … I had like 6 days of mostly one post and saw my site drop in rankings … that was not going to work so I changed it up…. (also those 6 days of bad rankings I had sub par keywords in the articles … Yuck .)
I just hope goog does not hit me with a penalty since I got almost 20 links in two days … time will tell I am sure
Yeah Blake – the site had a couple top ten rankings already (not for anything hi end, but low-ish end), plus another I’ve just found out about which is pretty cool. One of my problems however is this – how the heck am I going to be able to answer questions left in the comments section if I know jack squat about the subject matter? Quite often you can blag your way through when this happens, but in this case, there’s no way of doing that cos folks will soon spot you are a nonce who has not a clue
BMR – on a client’s site fairly recently, I was hitting the site with a mere 4 – 6 posts a day. Then one day 11 posts managed to “escape” and Goog saw fit to dump the site. Shucks – just 11 links was enough for Goog to throw a tantrum. Fortunately it was a mild penalty and most of the rankings returned within a couple of weeks, but I’ve had to be real careful with it since then, which is a pity cos that’s not really my style – its too boring
Hi Jo
As you know I put in a solid 3 months on BMR recently and managed 900 posts. Loved the tool despite its high labor intensive method. If only they were 50 word posts though!
I’m currently working with Scrapebox and a new tool perhaps that you would already be familiar with called Instant Backlinks Magic (IBM). This was recently released on the Warrior Forum. Its a great simple little tool from what i’ve seen so far.
I am only auto posting to PR3+ domains. The comments are spun. Compared to 150 words on BMR, are brief one or two sentences.
My question to you (or anyone else) is that since BMR averages below PR3, are there real/similar advantages to going the auto blogging way and targeting higher PR3+ domains?
I’m a little confused as to the comments and opinions of many experienced marketers and SEO experts. On the one hand they will say that blog posting isn’t valued much by google – yet isn’t that what BMR is? BMR has an excellent reputation. Whats the difference here?
And if one targets PR3+ blogs then surely the index rate from google would be much higher than going below that PR?
(google would trawl those higher PR sites more regularly I would assume)
I am also finding PR 7 and 8 blogs (this is the domain – not the page) and have decided to post manually to these.
So in a long winded way, just what is the difference with BMR (or other blog networks) and targetting higher ranked domains – apart from the fact that BMR diligently ensures a 90% index rate?
Look forward to your thoughts and comments on this.
Cheers
William
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Here is my thought on the matter William. Just my point of view however…
One difference between leaving comments on a blog and posting to a website (in this case, precisely how BMR post – you get a shared posting on the home page of the site to begin, then your post rolls off onto its own low PR page) is that on that page you have very possibly a single outbound link. Not to say you get much juice from it, cos its always a PRn/a. Blog comments tend to be plentiful on a single page, thus there too is very, very little juice gained even when on a PR of 5 or more.
But there’s another difference which I think is more important – blog commenting has been over-used in the past 2 or 3 years to gain backlinks. Take Backlinks Genie just for example, where you can get hundreds of blog comments on auto in just a single “run”. Or take those WP plugins these days – where you make more than 5 comments on a blog, your comment goes viral and you tend to see hundreds of the same comments on that particular blog.
Thus, if you were Google, which would you tend to value higher – the text snippet of 150 words with one single anchor text link nested within the text, posted on a page with no other out-bound links, or a blog comment that is probably very short, somewhat irrelevant, and is bundled with hundreds of other similar short comments on the one page? Chance are reasonable that a lot of the comments are not even unique because they are so short.
That’s my take on it William, but fact of the matter is – the proof is in the pudding. Once you’ve used the system you mention here for a while, make your own judgement as to whether the methods are working well or otherwise.
Regards
Joseph
Hi Jo
Thanks for your insights on that. You have clarified this further for me….particularly the differential between a blog/website.
I am still working through very early days here with auto blog tools. I see myself refining things further to target higher PR domains.
IBM has a feature where you can target 24hr blogs (ie newly created blogs within 24hrs) Since I am focusing on higher PR (domain) blogs, then does that early mover advantage (that is, not commenting on saturated older blogs but only new ones) give a little more juice perhaps to blog posting as the higher domain PR will eventually rank that page higher and you will be secured as an early commenter/poster on that blog?
Lots of questions Jo…as always!
Cheers
William
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Hi William, these newer blogs will not have any page rank and no guarantee of any page rank either. Further, even though you may be a very early commentor, there may still be a ton of other comments on the page in the following weeks. Again however, the only true way to tell is to give it a shot. Google often moves in mysterious ways after all…
Jo
Good points Jo
In my first year of this and learning so much…and trying to balance a full time job in Government as well!
Just returning to BMR for a moment, i’d like to add a little more for those people who might be thinking of giving it a trial.
Not only was it a good tool to use – and an easy one, it also really helped hone my writing skills and creativity in thinking out a topic or keyword.
It certainly helped me write faster and as a result has aided me in creating new content and ideas for my sites.
So the benefit just isn’t in the outcome solely – the benefits of writing them yourself certainly have added benefits.
Cheers
William
Good points made about BMR, William! If you are writing your own posts, it surely helps you to gain much more insight within your niches!
Hi Joseph,
Could you give a quick overview of the best way you’ve found to take advantage of BMR?
I have a batch of 45-day-old sites that I want to start promoting with BMR to see if I can rise up to the 1st page of the ol’ Goog.
What strategy would you pursue to make the most out of BMR?
Hi Matt, if the site already has backlinks in place and is not a freshly purchased domain, I may set BMR submissions to either “Random” or 4 – 6 a day. If its a fresh domain, I may set the submissions to either 1 or 1 – 3 per day. It also depends on your own resources – if you are outsourcing and cash flow is good to do that, then you can up the submission rates all the sooner. If you are doing the post writing yourself, then you may wish to lower submission rates since it very soon can become a real grind to keep up with them each day.
A friend of mine has been using his iPhone to write up the posts. Let me explain that… You can now download the Dragon Nuance Speech Recognition software to the iPhone and its free. Apparently the software was not working well until the developers made an update just a few weeks ago and now its working great he says. He can churn out about 20 posts in an hour (depends on your knowledge of the niche and the amount of errors you have to correct in each post), which beats writing them out – the most I can write in an hour would be about 10 and that does take a lot of concentration and focus.
You can also get the software on the iPad – I think that’s a free download too.
All the best Matt!
Joseph
Matt, great question – Jo, great answer!
I’m about to start working on a new domain and I don’t want it to get dumped like last time
I am thinking that my keyword variation might have been part of what tanked my site. If I start with mostly just using BMR very slowly(as you just described), how should I vary the keywords?
Hi JP – kwd variation is now more important than ever before if you want to gain Goog rankings. Even though I outsource all of my BMR writing these days, I still make a point of going into my account every day and changing around a lot of the kwds that are being used so there is enough variation. I’m happy to use a ratio of 20% main kwd or there-abouts, although at times I’ll let that slip up to around 50% to 70% when I want to really push something a bit faster upwards. If Goog penalize me for this which tends to be very much a rarity these days – touch wood – then I simply lower my ratio once again and generally the kwd phrase or webpage will bounce back again in the rankings fairly soon. Much of my other anchor text I will try to focus on other kwds that are merely a variation of my main kwd phrase, providing they have some search in Goog. That’s not always possible to do, but its worth taking a little extra time to find out what variations on your main kwd phrase are worth ranking for since its really easy to then go into BMR and work this into your game plan.
Regards
Jo
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